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Re:Kimi K3 is now live by boredatoms on Thursday July 16, 2026 @10:47PM (#48942842)
I worry that some model provider will go and hire artists to draw pictures of pelicans on bicycles to make training data
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by TrainedMonkey on Thursday July 16, 2026 @11:11PM (#48942983)
Worry not, Pelicans on bicycles had been ranking pretty high on your favorite search engine for a while. I struggle to imagine a world in which it was not already scraped and turned into training data by at least one provider:

1. Models need to be good at the questions we ask them, not the questions we could ask them.

2. The questions, at least partially, are correlated with information people consume.

3. People mostly consume viral content.

4. Ergo you should scrape viral content for training data.

Re:Kimi K3 is now live by ruszki on Friday July 17, 2026 @06:05AM (#48945411)
Probably it was added to the training data on the first day when this benchmark was on HN main page. It’s a bad benchmark since then. I don’t know why people still rate it high. Basically, every benchmark becomes pointless after it was published. They are good only to have a picture at the time they’re published first, and not after.
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by simonw on Friday July 17, 2026 @08:29AM (#48946563)
If it was added to the training data on day one, why can't any of the models draw a decent picture of a pelican riding a bicycle?
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by ruszki on Friday July 17, 2026 @10:41AM (#48947967)
Most of them were completely unrecognizable back then. Compared to those, this is a huge achievement.
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by lucianmarin on Thursday July 16, 2026 @11:27PM (#48943055)
Shouldn't a LLM know how a pelican looks like from biology without being trained on very specific artistic data?
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by braedon-dev on Friday July 17, 2026 @12:33AM (#48943359)
The model likely does know what a pelican looks like; the hard part is translating that into ordered SVG path commands. It's really testing spatial and vector composition, not biological recall.
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by victorbjorklund on Friday July 17, 2026 @02:41AM (#48944031)
Imagine you never in your life seen a pelican or any other bird. You only read about them in text. Detailed descriptions but still just descriptions. And now you would need to one shot draw it. Might be a bit hard.

This is for example the result of a taxidermied lion in Sweden when the guy doing the job never ever seen a lion or a photo of them and just worked off descriptions. https://www.snopes.com/articles/344637/the-lion-of-gripsholm...

Re:Kimi K3 is now live by bigyabai on Thursday July 16, 2026 @11:00PM (#48942928)
If it forces LLMs to get better at SVG design, then it's not a terrible incentive.
Re:Kimi K3 is now live by brookst on Thursday July 16, 2026 @11:53PM (#48943173)
You can have any SVG you can imagine, as long as it’s a pelican riding a bicycle.