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Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by Lomlioto on Saturday July 11, 2026 @03:53AM (#48869798)
Buddy our anceostors were able to see the night sky.

I don't need a space station with space tourism only the richest can afford and will be still very dangerous to see the stars right now.

What you will see is how Starlink satelites will poisen our atmosphere at re-entry.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by moomoo11 on Saturday July 11, 2026 @03:57AM (#48869824)
so what's the alternative? just don't make any progress?
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by applfanboysbgon on Saturday July 11, 2026 @04:02AM (#48869860)
Polluting the sky with junk is not "progress".
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by Marha01 on Saturday July 11, 2026 @04:55AM (#48870155)
Colonizing space is progress.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by taotau on Saturday July 11, 2026 @07:38AM (#48871131)
Yeah, how is that mars colony plan going realistically. have they figured out the bits about how humans are going to survive in a toxic irradiated environment for months on end? I want it to happen, but I honestly havent heard much from spacex about it other than we have to be allowed to develop cheap rockets. There's a lot more involved in a journey to mars than just cheap launch costs.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by bluescrn on Saturday July 11, 2026 @05:53AM (#48870465)
The word 'colonization' has become rather toxic, though. Maybe we need a new word for occupying barren planets where there's no native life being displaced?
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by cramer4next on Saturday July 11, 2026 @11:17AM (#48872780)
Not toxic unless you subscribe to the lefts redefinition of the term. Most people wouldn't be here if we didn't colonize the new world.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by jagenabler2 on Saturday July 11, 2026 @12:03PM (#48873221)
The indigenous populations probably would.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by cramer4next on Saturday July 11, 2026 @01:07PM (#48873729)
Its highly unlikely that an indigenous population would adopt the colonizer's term. If you look at demographics of those who use that definition of term its mostly people of Anglo-Saxon decent. And its the same people who are living on stolen land.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by moomoo11 on Saturday July 11, 2026 @02:39PM (#48874516)
they were also going around killing each other and ripping out hearts from living people as sacrifices, so given enough time they would have done the same thing.

and they would have been 100x more brutal.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by digitaltrees on Saturday July 11, 2026 @06:37PM (#48876491)
Two wrongs….

What world do you want to live in? A monopoly where a corporation can decide who lives and dies? Because that’s effectively what you are arguing for up and down this thread.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by digitaltrees on Saturday July 11, 2026 @06:35PM (#48876483)
My ancestors on my moms side pioneers in covered wagons that settled the west. My ancestors on my dad’s side were Amazonian natives that lost most their tribe to disease and ranchers driving them off their land. It’s important to learn from history so as to not repeat it. It might feel like the lefts critique of history is toxic unless your family dies from a repeat of that brutality.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by cramer4next on Saturday July 11, 2026 @07:16PM (#48876752)
I fully agree history is important to be known for the premise of not repeating it. But the narative is that 10 generations later depending which side you were on, that somehow your to blame and you owe the losing side something.

The stolen land meme is a good example. My parents in 60s migrated to the u.s and in no way am I to blame or responsible for what occored just because of where I live.

Do I feel bad for what happened? Absolutely. But those were nethanderal times where everything was primitive instinct. Its not the world we live in today.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by digitaltrees on Saturday July 11, 2026 @11:25PM (#48878000)
I agree the narrative of blame is harmful and perpetuates that same pattern.

I also have to point out that the effects of that history persist and affect this generation. Lots of financial effects still affect our society.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by antonvs on Saturday July 11, 2026 @06:25AM (#48870637)
No-one is “colonizing space”, you’re just being conned by a man who figured out he can make a lot of money by convincing people that such fantasies could be real.

The US spends up to $4 billion a year just to keep a few people alive on the ISS. And they can’t stay there too long because it’s too dangerous to their health. The idea that we’re going to “colonize space” in the foreseeable future is laughable.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by inglor_cz on Saturday July 11, 2026 @08:10AM (#48871349)
Sending robots to space is still a form of building presence there. Not every colonist has to be a human. In fact, they are probably coming last, into pre-prepared positions and bases.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by antonvs on Sunday July 12, 2026 @06:47PM (#48885662)
Why do you believe that is at all relevant?
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by digitaltrees on Saturday July 11, 2026 @06:29PM (#48876446)
It’s not binary. We can colonize space without granting that right to a monopoly. Or doing it a way that creates a cloud of projectiles around the planet
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by mhb on Saturday July 11, 2026 @09:02AM (#48871694)
Airplanes?
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by ben_w on Saturday July 11, 2026 @05:16AM (#48870261)
The alternative to Starlink already existed before Starlink. I'm using it right now.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by inglor_cz on Saturday July 11, 2026 @08:06AM (#48871322)
In some places.

Starlink is a global phenomenon, good ISPs were at best a local phenomenon.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by mmsimanga on Saturday July 11, 2026 @06:38AM (#48870715)
African here living under and shit hole government who has no interest in improving the lives of the people. Starlink has been a game changer! An absolute game changer. I do not support Elon Musk but just putting out there that Starlink is helping kids in remote areas with no electricity (they use small solar panel) to access the Internet.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by JKCalhoun on Saturday July 11, 2026 @08:56AM (#48871655)
Hopefully they don't part with books—the way kids in the U.S. have.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by JKCalhoun on Saturday July 11, 2026 @08:57AM (#48871659)
Hopefully they don't part with books—the way kids in the U.S. have. Hopefully they don't spend all their free time on Tik Tok…
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by mmsimanga on Saturday July 11, 2026 @10:04AM (#48872174)
Most people cannot afford to have it in their home. They will get access at school or shopping centre. Most kids don't have phones either but I really do get your point. The other danger is they tend to be susceptible to fake news and stories made up using AI. I have had cousins from the village send me a picture of a mermaid claiming she was caught in one of the rivers.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by ben_w on Saturday July 11, 2026 @11:08AM (#48872705)
> I have had cousins from the village send me a picture of a mermaid claiming she was caught in one of the rivers.

For what it's worth, this also happens with printed books.

I wasted the latter half of my teens taking New Age occultism and magical powers as a profound topic rather than a literature and culture topic, thanks to a combination of a bookstore chain near where I grew up and a mother who also took this all very seriously.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by JKCalhoun on Saturday July 11, 2026 @11:38AM (#48872975)
I wasn't suggesting that books are some kind of paragon of "truth". But as I think most HN readers would agree, there's just something… tangible about them that seems to stimulate the brain in a way that ephemeral images on a screen don't.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by moomoo11 on Saturday July 11, 2026 @02:34PM (#48874475)
what about being a better parent?

i feel like all these problems people come up with stem from the fact they suck at parenting and have to project.

i and most people i know don’t have these problems. we actually care, and our parents cared about us.

when i was growing up it was kids who drank or smoked (we didn’t have smartphones).

just avoid them.

these days if kids are glued to the phone that’s the parents fault. bad parenting.

take kids to the museum or get them to a classical show or something.

if parents make excuses why they can’t, again L parents.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by digitaltrees on Saturday July 11, 2026 @06:15PM (#48876355)
This reads like you aren’t a parent and haven’t experienced the effects of social and peer pressure. We don’t allow screen time but our kids cousins do. Where do you think watching you tube happens? Should we monitor every moment of their lives and ban them from going to their cousins house?
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by digitaltrees on Saturday July 11, 2026 @06:24PM (#48876417)
A monopoly can do good in the world. I am glad this is beneficial to you. I worry, given the history of monopoly behavior, that it will flip to extreme rent seeking in the not distant future.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by freedomben on Saturday July 11, 2026 @09:01AM (#48871685)
my alternative was dial up or a 10 Mbps flaky wireless ISP. Is that what you're using right now?
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by SoftTalker on Saturday July 11, 2026 @11:05AM (#48872684)
I remember when I first had 10Mbps at my desktop at work. It was amazing. I wonder how slow that would feel today?
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by freedomben on Saturday July 11, 2026 @11:55AM (#48873136)
It's pretty painful, and makes a lot of work from home impossible between meetings, image pulls, etc. Until starlink I had to do development on a cloud vm
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by CWIZO on Saturday July 11, 2026 @05:54AM (#48870476)
Yes? We don't have to blindly and constantly be making progress on everything at all cost. Look around you, look at what all this progress did to the world we live in.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by freedomben on Saturday July 11, 2026 @09:00AM (#48871676)
Then our descendants will talk about how they were held back by our greedy ancestors who just wanted to be able to look at the night sky and see only natural stars, and they'll be right.

Also let me guess, you have high speed internet avaiable at your house so starlink isn't your only high-speed option right now?

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by jagenabler2 on Saturday July 11, 2026 @11:58AM (#48873162)
I resent my recent ancestors for tearing up all our cities in favour of motorways, and grateful only that it wasn’t worse. They thought that was progress though, and that cars were the only way to move into the future.

I’m not against advancing in this area, but there is nuance. Progress can be short sighted.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by digitaltrees on Saturday July 11, 2026 @06:17PM (#48876368)
Or they will talk about how we rushed too fast to clutter space and now can’t escape earth orbit because of a cloud of dangerous shrapnel and are going to go extinct without being multi planetary.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by pera on Saturday July 11, 2026 @08:49AM (#48871613)
In the mid 20th century some people believed urban motorways were "progress" and wanted to build them everywhere, see for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurama_%28New_York_World%27s...

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by rvba on Saturday July 11, 2026 @09:00AM (#48871675)
Thank you for sharing this.

This vision is absolutely horryfying, yet at same time incredibly interesting.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by pera on Saturday July 11, 2026 @01:09PM (#48873744)
If you wanna look into another example search for the Abercrombie Plan in Edinburgh: it was a very ambitious urbanistic plan to "modernize" this city. For instance they proposed to demolish all of the historical Georgian and Victorian buildings in Princes Street and replace them with brutalist buildings and a motorway.
Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by ivell on Saturday July 11, 2026 @09:12AM (#48871781)
Progress is a very human centric view. But if you consider earth as a whole system, we have over optimized the system for our benefit while the other parts of the system hugely suffered (other species, environment etc.).

We need to ensure our progress is balanced taking into account the whole system instead of just one part.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by sobellian on Saturday July 11, 2026 @10:31AM (#48872392)
People have different definitions of progress. I have found that people who are "progressive" on one axis can often be quite conservative on another. Look at the SF Bay Area. While it is quite progressive in the political-ideology sense, we oppose construction that would cause literal progress in the material conditions of the citizenry. "Manhattanization" has been a word used for decades to oppose the thought of densifying SF. My neighbors here in North Bay come out in arms to oppose light bollards on a public footpath. We cannot even progress our footpaths. Rather than build a larger, more inclusive, and cheaper city, you will find countless proponents for rent control - a solution to the question of, "how can I use the law to keep my apartment cheap while refusing to accommodate any more people in the city?"

You are seeing this in this thread. I doubt anyone likes to be described as contra-progress. But nevertheless people would rather conserve the current night sky than see it transmute into a shimmering sea of a million artificial satellites. It's not really obvious to me why one state should be preferable to the other.

Re:SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites – fo... by digitaltrees on Saturday July 11, 2026 @06:08PM (#48876309)
Unmanaged progress risks permanent harm. There is a way for progress to balance the tradeoffs.