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Re:Fable 5 Is Back by applicative on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @09:53PM (#48755480)
You are saying: it turns out that one-shot playable Minecraft clones are actually pretty simple. Maybe it seemed a hard problem to programmers, but why not just say that the verifiable-rewards training has shown that their skill is unusually simple?
Re:Fable 5 Is Back by latentsea on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @11:30PM (#48756189)
I am saying 3 years ago there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell I could one shot a playable Minecraft clone, and there has never been a snowballs chance in hell a human developer could do so in 45 minutes.

The difficulty of the task and human performance on that task hasn't changed. LLMs performance on that task has changed dramatically.

Re:Fable 5 Is Back by 8note on Thursday July 02, 2026 @01:30AM (#48756907)
it could almost certainly regurgitate something like minetest

its in the training data, probably many times, and it was then, too

Re:Fable 5 Is Back by latentsea on Thursday July 02, 2026 @03:55AM (#48757999)
And that's exactly why 3 years ago we saw people one shotting it in 45 minutes :)
Re:Fable 5 Is Back by staticman2 on Thursday July 02, 2026 @08:26AM (#48760398)
"Some idiot on Twitter did a game tech demo" has been a thing since, like GPT 3.5 or 4.0?
Re:Fable 5 Is Back by latentsea on Thursday July 02, 2026 @02:18PM (#48765390)
It has. We can see 3.5 started with text adventure games https://medium.com/@duncanariey/using-chatgpt-to-make-the-it... and with 4.0 it moved up to pong https://x.com/skirano/status/1635736107949195278

As the generations increase, so too has the complexity of the games it can one-shot.

Re:Fable 5 Is Back by staticman2 on Thursday July 02, 2026 @08:25PM (#48769165)
But nobody has nailed "this is a game anyone wants to play" or "professional game development life cycles are shorter" so it's not particularly impressive.

I'm still waiting for any evidence of LLM economic impact in the real world.

Re:Fable 5 Is Back by latentsea on Friday July 03, 2026 @12:06AM (#48770576)
Yeah, well I doubt any economic impact will from LLMs will ever come. I doubt anyone is working on nailing those things as we speak. I doubt the results my team and I are getting with agentic engineering are real. I doubt anyone can take increasingly better tools and translate that to economic value.
Re:Fable 5 Is Back by staticman2 on Friday July 03, 2026 @10:47AM (#48775726)
If you're doing such amazing things why the need to gush about Minecraft tweets?
Re:Fable 5 Is Back by latentsea on Friday July 03, 2026 @11:48PM (#48782493)
Why wouldn't I be?

Those demos are put out by non-engineer AI-bros who start from a blank slate and just test raw one-shot performance of the model.

In comparison I'm aware of how much additional performance you can extract out of models with a team of professional engineers that are balls-deep in harness engineering.

That delta is very large.

It's exciting.

Re:Fable 5 Is Back by senordevnyc on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @11:06PM (#48756005)
What a great example of the no true Scotsman fallacy.
Re:Fable 5 Is Back by cornholio on Thursday July 02, 2026 @12:32AM (#48756601)
Can't wait to see what unusually simple Erdos problem LLMs will expose next, hiding in plain sight for decades and seemingly intractable for professional mathematicians who weren't aware just how simple the problem was.