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Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by thewebguyd on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @04:04PM (#48738478)
> it seems nobody is enforcing consumer protections like they used to

I'll preface this by saying that I don't agree with how things are working currently. But, the way the existing protections get enforced is by an individual or group of individuals filing lawsuits.

Our regulatory agencies have either been completely gutted by DOGE, or just no longer have an appetite to do any kind of proactive enforcement, so its now up to the victims who have been wronged to bring the violation to the attention of the courts/regulatory bodies responsible for enforcement.

Part of me feels like this is intentional and by design, because bringing suit is an expensive and time consuming process and naturally locks out the people harmed the most by these violations. Its the same method by which slumlords/bad landlords get away with so many blatant violations of the various landlord/tenant laws; their tenants can't afford the lawsuits and the lawyers to protect themselves.

The legal system needs to be made much more accessible, but I'm not sure how that happens or what that looks like.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by underlipton on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @06:00PM (#48739808)
>so its now up to the victims who have been wronged to bring the violation to the attention of the courts/regulatory bodies responsible for enforcement.

lol

Have you tried finding a lawyer recently? For anything?

>The legal system needs to be made much more accessible, but I'm not sure how that happens or what that looks like.

As far as consumer protection goes, the party with greater resources or sophistication (e.g., if you retain counsel against a pro se defendant or plaintiff) should have a higher standard of proof; be forced to follow formal procedural rules, no matter the venue; and bear all costs if they're the ones who brought suit. If you use the court system as an arm of your business, you shouldn't get any leniency in terms of crossing your t's and dotting your i's. I don't know how you get there, but that's the fastest way to level the playing field.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by ElProlactin on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @07:05AM (#48744902)
I understand your intent, but:

> As far as consumer protection goes, the party with greater resources or sophistication (e.g., if you retain counsel against a pro se defendant or plaintiff) should have a higher standard of proof

No. Holding parties to different standards of evidence is a horrible idea and would do so much harm to a legal system that is already in many cases failing to function the way it was intended.

Determining who has "greater resources or sophistication" is itself a very thorny issue. For example, class action lawyers often look for Average Joes to become lead plaintiffs in highly-targeted lawsuits. These lawsuits are, in at least some if not many cases, designed less to defend the interests of individuals who have been harmed in some way (even theoretically) and more to extract settlements that result in hefty legal fees for themselves.

In these cases, it would be naive to treat the plaintiffs (who I would argue are proxies for the attorneys) as the parties with fewer resources or sophistication.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by underlipton on Sunday July 12, 2026 @02:14PM (#48883170)
>Holding parties to different standards of evidence is a horrible idea

We already do that. Plaintiffs can introduce whatever, and as long as it's plausible, defendants have to directly prove it's a falsehood or otherwise inadmissible (not just that it's plausibly so, perhaps circumstantially). Sewer service is a glaring example.

>In these cases, it would be naive to treat the plaintiffs (who I would argue are proxies for the attorneys) as the parties with fewer resources or sophistication.

You're assuming that I disagree. Pro bono/contingent/discounted hours billed would count towards "greater resources or sophistication", and while I'm sure lawyers would love to argue whether or not that's fair, I think you'd find that the Average Joe would say so. And I'd really like to live in a system which has his needs in mind more than that of Dick C. Eshahl, Esq.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @08:56PM (#48741201)
> Our regulatory agencies have either been completely gutted by DOGE, or just no longer have an appetite to do any kind of proactive enforcement

Well yeah. That's what they ran on, and people voted for it.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by sjsdaiuasgdia on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @09:12PM (#48741295)
> just no longer have an appetite to do any kind of proactive enforcement

The overturning of the Chevron doctrine removed the ability of the government to do many kinds of proactive enforcement.

> Part of me feels like this is intentional and by design

It is absolutely intentional and by design. It aligns with other recent changes in the legal landscape, such as ending the ability for lower federal courts to issue nationwide injunctions. This requires more groups to accumulate more funds to pursue more lawsuits in more regions, re-establishing standing, re-establishing harms, re-arguing against the same harmful and illegal acts.

You're allowed to fight back, but only after you've been harmed, and only at great expense and effort, and with the deck stacked against you at every level.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by ryandrake on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @11:19PM (#48741886)
You basically cannot enforce any laws on corporations when Republicans are in control. ~50% of voters decided that they should be able to do literally anything they want and Buyer Beware is a good way to structure society and commerce.
Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by taneq on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @05:19AM (#48744215)
Do you really think 50% of voters thought this was what they were getting? I think most of them thought “dunno what is going on, but this guy seems confident and says it’ll be good if we vote for him”.
Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by theultdev on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @09:31AM (#48746472)
that's what I voted for and I'm happy about it. same for every single person in my circle.

you may not understand the other side because of biases but if you just say "oh 50% must be crazy / be stupid" then noone can have an honest debate. but I guess gone are those days.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by sjsdaiuasgdia on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @10:54AM (#48747869)
Which part attracts you the most? The corruption, the self-dealing, the disrespect for the Constitution and the rule of law, or the racism?
Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by theultdev on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @11:00AM (#48747963)
prime example of why there can't be discourse happening right here ^
Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by bytehowl on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @11:09AM (#48748127)
Answer the question.
Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by sjsdaiuasgdia on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @11:22AM (#48748372)
If you're willing to overlook the corruption, the self dealing, the disrespect for the Constitution and rule of law, and the racism, then I agree. There is no useful discourse to be had with you.
Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by theultdev on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @02:06PM (#48750888)
you haven't said anything.

self dealing = care to expand? probably some thing about trump's investments I assume. rich people make money, sure. but I'd rather someone be rich before office not have their son work on a Ukrainian oil company while their father is VP that handles relations with said country.

disrespect for the constitution = really generic, but does that include the 1st and 2nd amendment for you? Or should that be infringed because of misinformation and fear? Might want to say what you think is being infringed and how.

racism = I assume border enforcement / ICE? not racist to enforce immigration laws, every country does. what's fucked up is letting people get exploited by cartels then having this quasi legal status that you leave for others to cleanup.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by ceejayoz on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @02:13PM (#48751001)
> I'd rather someone be rich before office not have their son work on a Ukrainian oil company while their father is VP that handles relations with said country.

You must be incensed over Jared Kushner's diplomatic roles and $2B investments from the Saudis, then?

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by theultdev on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @02:19PM (#48751089)
He formed an investment group after leaving government. Hunter worked for an oil company (no experience) WHILE his father was overseeing the country relations. And the company he worked for was under investigation for corruption. Joe bragged about getting that prosecutor fired.

Meanwhile Jared got the Abraham Accords and is working on other peace deals.

Hunter was a crackhead being paid in diamonds by a corrupt oil company. Not the same is it?

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by ceejayoz on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @02:20PM (#48751107)
I appreciate your answering your own question; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48750787.

> Hunter was a crackhead being paid in diamonds by a corrupt oil company. Not the same is it?

For sure. Kushner/Trump's corruption is far more lucrative.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by theultdev on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @02:25PM (#48751166)
I'm glad you can at least admit that the Biden's were corrupt.
Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by sjsdaiuasgdia on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @03:23PM (#48751899)
And Trump's corruption is orders of magnitude worse.

Hunter Biden is not in office, is not running for office. I wouldn't support a campaign from him because "whose crotches were involved in your creation" is not a qualifying factor for much of anything besides assigning a last name.

Trump is in office, and is actively, brazenly corrupt. And you're OK with it for...reasons?

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by theultdev on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @03:41PM (#48752099)
He wasn't, but his dad was at the time. That's the point.

My criticism is not of Hunter, but of Joe Biden. The last D president. The most popular D (by votes) in history.

It's worse for people to entirely to benefit purely based on if their dad is in charge. That's nepotism.

However Kushner is in office, he does work on peace deals in the middle east. He has an official title and does work with many countries and many people. It makes sense for him to make connections over there.

It's not unreal to believe he met people in SA and they all wanted to make a business deal on their own. That's individuals making their own decisions at noone's expense. No demands (like firing a prosecutor). Not quid pro quo.

It's unreal to believe Hunter had any knowledge about Ukrainian oil and being paid in diamonds was legit, plus his business partner outed him. And all while his dad was handling relations with that country, and while he bragged about getting the prosecutor fired that was investigating the company. That's quid pro quo. That's nepotism. That's corruption.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by sjsdaiuasgdia on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @04:32PM (#48752719)
> However Kushner is in office, he does work on peace deals in the middle east. He has an official title and does work with many countries and many people.

Actually, that's part of the problem. Jared Kushner did have a formal government job during Trump's first admin. He does not have one in the 2nd term. He's not even a "special government employee" like they made Musk.

He's a "volunteer" who is then given substantial foreign policy influence in a region where he is also a substantial financial player. And it all happens with him having no formal duty to the United States, no particular rules of the road for what's allowed and what's not, because he's (quite intentionally, IMO) existing in a gray area.

Some questions for you to ponder on -

What purpose does Trump Crypto serve?

Why was CZ pardoned?

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by ceejayoz on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @12:53PM (#48749813)
Ah, the irony.
Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by theultdev on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @01:58PM (#48750787)
how is it irony? the guy asked loaded "questions" basically saying everything is racist and evil. not really good faith is it?

nothing about policy or any specific thing you could have a civil conversation about.

they didn't even say what perceived racist, corrupt, etc. delusional take they're talking about.

unless I'm on a liberal newsletter how would I know the conspiracies they're talking about?

to answer in one word GP's main question "Which part attracts you the most?"

Sanity.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by taneq on Thursday July 02, 2026 @02:35AM (#48757374)
Thankyou for responding with your view, and I'm sorry that you got downvoted for it. I don't agree that "[people] should be able to do literally anything they want and Buyer Beware is a good way to structure society and commerce" because I feel that a degree of safety from bad actors is part of the social contract in a healthy society, and that the strong and capable have a duty to protect and support those less able. I understand, however, that not everyone feels that way and that I'm not entitled to tell them what to think. That's why we vote on stuff, and it mostly works.

I still think that a large percentage of MAGA red hat voters (who don't necessarily represent all GOP voters) have bought into the populist rhetoric rather than actively understanding and supporting the actual policy but I'm sure there are plenty of people like you out there who are actively choosing this.

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by Ajedi32 on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @09:34AM (#48746526)
> The overturning of the Chevron doctrine removed the ability of the government to do many kinds of proactive enforcement.

How does stopping agencies from making up their own interpretation of laws do anything to prevent proactive enforcement? (Do you just mean they're now more limited in their ability to make up new laws and proactively enforce those? I'm pretty sure prohibitions on false advertising are actual laws.)

Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by sjsdaiuasgdia on Thursday July 02, 2026 @06:42AM (#48759320)
The legislative process (particularly nowadays) moves too slow to react to changes in the real world. The administrative processes provided a gap-fill function that could be somewhat more responsive. That is now lost.
Re:Nano Banana 2 Lite by Ajedi32 on Thursday July 02, 2026 @01:39PM (#48764852)
Okay, if that's what you meant then I don't think it's pertinent to this specific situation, since false advertising laws passed by the legislature already exist. They just need to be enforced.

Speaking more generally beyond the context of this specific situation, I agree representative democracy moves slower than other systems of government, but I personally don't think that's sufficient justification for ceding control of the legislative process to an unelected oligarchy. I think the overturning of cheveron was good push back against that trend.