How do you get the idea that migration is "planned"? You've lost the plot entirely

The UN literally has a document on their website called "Replacement migration : is it a solution to declining and ageing populations?"

>https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/412547?v=pdf

You can find dozens of clips of politicians and billionaires also talking about the need to replace the low fertility population with immigration.

Except that has nothing to do with voting which is the claim that was being made

It has everything to do with it. Some will receive amnesty (Reagan did it). Most will have kids, the kids will grow up with a different set of values and they will vote differently than native populations. They will vote outside of the national interest.

I am not talking about Republican or Democrat.

Whether English, Japanese, Australian, American, German, whatever the population being replaced with outsiders. Less unity, less cohesion and subject to whatever the whims of plutocrats may be.

What kind of mad man wants to see an Ireland with Irish? I don't want to live in Mogadishu.

What would you do about the birth rate? How will you support the boomers retirement?

Do what Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and China are doing: just let it fall, it will eventually bounce back. Boomers will be fine.

Replacing your entire culture and people doesn’t really fix the problem, it just permanently changes your country to be more like Africa, Mexico, India, etc.

TIL Africa is a country

I did not say Africa was a country..

>changes your country to be more like Africa

All of the countries in Africa, every single one, have a vastly lower standard of living than the USA.

One example is HIAS who runs a fully staffed Darién Gap facility. As soon as there is a friendly administration to mass migration - they just flip a switch and we will have 10 millions of migrants. I don't want to come across as MAGA, because I am a non voter - the Republicans fuel the fire with forever wars. Its really two sides of the same coin. Companies benefit, because when there is no social cohesion workers are less likely to Unionize.

"Tens of millions"? Really?

Even if we take 20 million, that's 75% of the total population of Venezuela or half of the population of Colombia. There simply are not enough people in South America for these kinds of numbers.

Chuck Schumer:

>“We have a population that is not reproducing on its own with the same level that it used to. The only way we’re going to have a great future in America is if we welcome and embrace immigrants – the Dreamers and all of them, because our ultimate goal is to help the Dreamers but [also] to get a path to citizenship for all 11 million or however many undocumented there are here,”

Chuck Schumer, who is massively understating the number of illegals here, puts it at at least 11M. So yeah tens of millions is a realistic ballpark.

That 11M represents decades of migration. It's not getting tripled with the flip of a switch.

12.2 million Mexicans live in California alone.

Mexican heritage, yes. Mexican citizenship without US citizenship, very much no.

And 50 million never bothered to learn English? Here for decades? I have a bridge to sell you Dylan.

The bridge is that 50 million number that just appeared, yeah. Where did you get that?

Is that the number of people that don't have English as their first language? Almost all of that group does speak English.

> There are 45 million Spanish speakers in the United States - in 1950 there were effectively zero.

This is either a bald faced lie or demonstrates an extreme ignorance of history. There have been tons of Spanish speakers in the United States for a loooong time. Before Texas joined the United States, Spanish was an official language, as in 1837 a law was passed to ensure all laws were translated into Castilian.

> Be it resolved, by the senate and house of representatives of the republic of Texas, in congress assembled, That in justice to that numerous portion of our fellow citizens who understand only the Spanish language...

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth45355/m1/99/

You think all these Spanish speakers just disappeared when Texas became a state?

You think there were also no Spanish speakers in the rest of the Western territories? No Spanish speakers left in the parts of Florida Spain originally conquered? No Spanish speakers left at all in the lands that became the state of California or Nevada or New Mexico?

> In 1980 the US was 95% white

More like 80% white. Even in the 1950s the black population was ~10%. If the black population is historically ~10%ish, how is the white population going to be 95% when we also break out other ethnicities? Strange how you're consistently overrepresenting white English speakers in your falsehoods. Interesting pattern you've got there.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d20/tables/dt20_101.20.a...

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1950/...

> The root of all western Ethnic issues are Zionists.

Ah, I see now. Hunch confirmed. Makes sense about why you tend to lie in a consistent pattern.

A quick search says 89% in 1950. 10% were black. 1% were other.

Where did the Black slaves come from? They came from Zionist Slave traders. The slave traders weren't Christian. They weren't white. They were your people (A similar vein we see today in the exploitation of Children on Epstein Island - most were Zionist, every victim was Christian)

Zionists want mass migration because in the west because they are still pissed off at Rome for destroying their stupid temple, and their civilization. Not a lot has changed since Spain where your people were opening the gates to the Moors.

Whats great about the Gaza and Lebanon genocides is the whole world can watch your games. No one under 40 supports Israel. We are done.

> A quick search says 89% in 1950.

So you agree you hadn't even done a quick search before your previous comment. Good chance you haven't bothered actually checking any of your other facts in this comment as well.

> They were your people

German and Irish Catholics? "My people" (the ones I'm directly related to) enlisted with the Union soon after arriving, and their bretheren in the South were often killed by white Christian slaveholders in the US Civil War. But I guess you'll also tell me the US Civil War had nothing to do with slavery at all. Despite being white and Christian they were often persecuted at the time even in the North.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treue_der_Union_Monument

> The slave traders weren't Christian. They weren't white.

Absolute drivel completely divorced from easily looked up history. Even more disconnected from reality as "nobody spoke Spanish in the US" and "The US was 95% white in 1980". You should try doing a quick search on this "fact" as well. Many were white. Many were Christian. Not all, for sure, but many.

Someone must be funding the NGOs organizing it all.

George Soros, probably

I wouldn’t be surprised looking at his historical track record of funding NGOs with specific angles and what he said.

it was a joke, to be clear

In reality it’s not a joke though. Soros is one of the biggest politically minded donors of the last few decades.

As planned by whom?

The Epstein class. Bankers, Zionists who lost their civilization and Temple 2000 years ago:

A good google search to view art owned by one family: "Artist funded by de Rothschild's depicts racial violence and rape themes"

This take is oversimplified to where it’s literally scary - heres an honest book about the Rothchilds Bankers and Zionists with the additional context I hope you incorporate.

https://ia601309.us.archive.org/20/items/historyDEEPWEB/The%...

I've read it. A follow for you could be Jews vs Rome - Netanyahu recommended this with a review: "we lost that one, we won't lose the next one"

Another follow on for you could be the question of the origins of the Slave Trade: Jews and Negro Slavery in the Old South - 1789-1865.

The root of all western Ethnic issues are Zionists.

Telling me some art depicts a bad thing tells me next to nothing about the merits of that art.

Immigrants don’t get a vote in many countries

For example Europeans were excluded from the Brexit vote

Voting in these countries takes place largely along ethnic lines.

Go look at maps of "if only X demographic voted", there is a clear incentive for certain parties to import people just because changing the ethnic makeup of the country will give them political power (immigrants have kids who are citizens and will vote along their ethnic lines).

Additionally there are efforts to naturalize refugees and illegals:

Chuck Schumer:

"We have a population that is not reproducing on its own with the same level that it used to. The only way we’re going to have a great future in America is if we welcome and embrace immigrants – the Dreamers and all of them, because our ultimate goal is to help the Dreamers but [also] to get a path to citizenship for all 11 million or however many undocumented there are here"

"Path to citizenship" here implies that he wants them to be able to vote.

https://cis.org/Arthur/Schumer-Calls-DREAM-Amnesty

1.) Migration is constant and big topic.

2.) Democracy happens to be destroyed by local far right movements, composed of people who were there for years and did not migrated anywhere.

The extend of foreign destruction is Vance trying to destroy democracy in Europe openly, Putin doing it secretly and Musk openly enciting pogroms. None of them immigrated to EU.

Mainstream parties could take a hard stance on immigration and destroy „far right movements“ overnight. But somehow they are not interested in saving the democracy, instead they prefer to ignore hot topics and pretend they don’t exist. Hmmm, maybe it is this ignorance destroying the democracy?

> Mainstream parties could take a hard stance on immigration and destroy „far right movements“ overnight.

No they would not. It would just empower far right to make further demands as everything shifted toward them. And you can even see it practically, each time mainstream parties move toward right, far right becomes stronger. Meanwhile, anti-far-right voters end up without anyone to vote for.

Becoming far right yourself does not cure far right, it makes far right stronger. Far right voters wont vote for you, why would they? And voting for you achieves nothing, you wont oppose far right anyway.

> Hmmm, maybe it is this ignorance destroying the democracy?

No, it is far right who is openly trying to destroy democracy. And helping them wont save the democracy. Blaming mainstream or left for what far-right does also does not help democracy.

How come? Mainstream parties are openly ignoring one of the main concerns of a big block of voters. Then some parties start catering for that concern. That’s pure democracy feedback loop in action.

Maybe you don't talk to rightoids enough. They get braver every day. Things they wouldn't openly say 10 years ago are said in the open now. Just pausing immigration will do nothing. Some of them want blood and to ruin a large group of people. Others don't "want" this, but will do nothing if it happens.

Maybe some of „good“ parties should start playing this democracy game and address some worries of the people? Mainstream parties are destroying democracy by ignoring the voters. Or flat-out lying by pretending they do address those worries and then doing 180 right after the elections. E.g. what CDU/CSU did in Germany. I wonder why AFD is doing so well...

People with a legal right to vote.