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Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by cloche on Thursday June 04, 2026 @10:57AM (#48399674)
Even so, the article says it grew 8% YOY in the US. The best is to hope that this is an unstoppable trend so that even politicians won't be able to reverse it.
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by willio58 on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:06AM (#48399783)
It’s already irreversible, but it’s just disappointing to see how the U.S. administration has chosen to actively fight against it, while other countries like China are embracing reality.

It’s actually funny if you don’t think about it too hard. The U.S. president is trying to make us more reliant on fossil fuels, while starting a war in Iran that’s led to the global fossil fuel market to be negatively impacted, forcing most Americans to pay more for fossil fuels. Who could have seen that coming? We’re doing great!

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by dnautics on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:10AM (#48399850)
> the U.S. administration has chosen to actively fight against it

the biggest producer of renewables is Texas, by a longshot. and the state of california just created insane NEM laws that favor the pockets of pg&e (and are shit for the environment) and as a result solar home installations have cratered.

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by toast0 on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:51AM (#48400456)
From the CalISO graphs, there doesn't seem to be a shortage of solar power for most of the day. It doesn't seem reasonable to incentivise production in the same way as it was when that wasn't the case.

I think NEM 3.0 incentivises storage now? Which seems to be what the (California) grid is looking for.

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by ceejayoz on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:11AM (#48399876)
> the biggest producer of renewables is Texas

That doesn't refute the point at all.

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by dnautics on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:16AM (#48399941)
no, but renewables do speak for themselves in dollars and cents, even if they dont have subsidy. now should petrochem subsidies end too? probably yes.
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by ceejayoz on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:21AM (#48400030)
> renewables do speak for themselves in dollars and cents

Yes. But administration opposition can change that math, as they have with the tariffs.

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by dnautics on Friday June 05, 2026 @12:39PM (#48414977)
they're not going to. solar and wind producers in texas are rich republicans.
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by ZeroGravitas on Thursday June 04, 2026 @12:04PM (#48400612)
Texas barely scrapes into the top ten red states by percentage of wind and solar, despite its ideal geography.
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by wallst07 on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:49PM (#48407705)
Texas produces more wind and solar than any other state, what are you talking about?
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by ZeroGravitas on Friday June 05, 2026 @01:58AM (#48408533)
Not by percentage. They're just bigger and generate more electricity total.

So you could flip the stat and say they produce more fossil energy than any other state.

I can't quickly find 2025 stats but in recent years they've been 50% higher than the next state in both coal and gas fired electricity (in absolute terms).

Wikipedia has tables sortable by column by source by total and percentage from 2022 to get a rough idea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_electri...

Texas was 33% or so wind plus solar last year. There are 6 states who had a higher percentage just from wind 3 years ago.

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by wallst07 on Friday June 05, 2026 @09:38AM (#48412391)
Absolute values matter more IMO. Any time people use % or per capita, it means they live in a city. I see this quite often, and it's just a way to skew rhetoric.

Just my opinion.

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by ZeroGravitas on Friday June 05, 2026 @01:03PM (#48415331)
That's fine, but that means the absolute value of all the coal and gas they burn matters more too.
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by some-guy on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:24AM (#48400068)
Both NEM 2.0 and 3.0 have serious issues, but for different reasons. NEM 2.0 was basically a early adopter's rich person's subsidy that heavily distorted the market, and NEM 3.0 does not have nearly enough subsidies to justify the cost unless you pay cash up front for a large system. (For the record, I am on NEM 3.0 and got such a system).

At the end of the day, the best case scenario is large scale renewable / battery storage to bring costs down as much as possible, and for those of us who want battery backup / solar can choose to invest in it, but it shouldn't be "the" solution.

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by dnautics on Friday June 05, 2026 @11:46PM (#48421192)
i thought the new NEM screws the homeowner because the city sells electricity at market price and buys electricity back strictly at the worst possible price, even if you're producing at peak demand.
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by mrhottakes on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:08AM (#48399817)
"No One Could Have Predicted This!" - Nation where this happens all the time
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by adjejmxbdjdn on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:06AM (#48399787)
Imagine how much faster it would be growing if the U.S. government wasn’t paying companies billions to not produce wind energy

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/23/climate/offshore-wind-gas...

or delaying standard approvals

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projec...

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by wat10000 on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:46AM (#48400366)
Or forcing unprofitable coal power plants to remain operating against their owners' wishes. https://www.energy.gov/documents/doe-order-no-202-26-19-scha...
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by ceejayoz on Thursday June 04, 2026 @11:01AM (#48399731)
Never underestimate the capacity of shitty people to shoot themselves and others in the foot.
Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by jqpabc123 on Thursday June 04, 2026 @12:26PM (#48400931)
Even so, the article says it grew 8% YOY in the US.

Versus 35% YOY in China.

China gets it, the USA doesn't.

The best is to hope that this is an unstoppable trend

The trend is the USA choosing politics over reality as China becomes unstoppable.

https://carboncredits.com/china-adds-power-7x-more-than-the-...

Re:In a first, wind and solar generated more power than gas ... by cmrdporcupine on Thursday June 04, 2026 @04:46PM (#48404402)
The US isn't choosing "politics"

It's "choosing" short term profits because its leadership (and its voters) have given up on long term stable trade and planning, and instead embraced oligarchy and rentier capitalism.

You can't parasitize solar and wind. There's few to no middlemen. No way to monopolize it. So it must be discouraged while you extract the last few years of wealth out of the assets you already control.