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Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by Jtarii on Friday May 22, 2026 @07:30AM (#48234428)
Companies that use AI well will replace the companies that use AI badly. There is no world in which AI is not used extensively in all employment going forward.
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by datsci_est_2015 on Friday May 22, 2026 @07:40AM (#48234505)
I agree, with the caveat that I don’t think any company is using AI well at the moment, specifically because I think our tooling around AI is woefully inadequate and immature.

Right now the AI marketing paradigm is to create rockstar superusers who can (supposedly) do the job of hundreds of individuals at the speed of light! Which bleeds into the design paradigm, which is trash. I’m bullish on AI that can be used more cooperatively and collectively by a company.

Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by ungreased0675 on Friday May 22, 2026 @07:40AM (#48234508)
Right now LLMs are heavily subsidized. When that ends, the actual cost of the service may exceed its usefulness for many use cases.
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by almostdeadguy on Friday May 22, 2026 @07:57AM (#48234653)
I'm less sure of the fact that ending subsidized token consumption (in isolation) will happen and change this. I think we've seen this play out before with other tech companies where discounting early use ends up entrenching demand and allowing the company to build larger and more efficient infrastructure.

I'm slightly _more_ convinced (still not all that strongly) that the rising cost of memory and chips, data center construction that gets outpaced by computing demand, increasing energy costs, and low switching costs for customers will force the model labs to make changes that increase the barrier to entry (either via higher pricing, more restrictive rate limiting, etc.). or force their customers into longer term commitments.

Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by foobarian on Friday May 22, 2026 @08:41AM (#48235070)
> I think we've seen this play out before with other tech companies where discounting early use ends up entrenching demand and allowing the company to build larger and more efficient infrastructure.

We've also seen failures who were convinced "they would make it up in volume." I guess the bet is that infra will get that much more efficient, but it's not clear how much slack there is.

Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by foobar10000 on Friday May 22, 2026 @09:12AM (#48235415)
A lot - and over the coming 2 years, even more. Utilization rates are under 50% across the board, and special and cheaper chips are coming out all the time for inference. And a truckload of research - TurboQuant, HC (deepseek), etc, etc..
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by hellohello2 on Friday May 22, 2026 @12:48PM (#48238372)
Computation halves in price every ~2 years so maybe in the short term but not in the long term
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by dawnerd on Friday May 22, 2026 @01:16PM (#48238687)
How is that possible when the cost of memory and hard drives have gone up 3x+ in the last six months? Maybe cheaper if you're OAI or one of the lucky companies Nvidia is propping up. Everyone else is getting screwed.
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by hellohello2 on Saturday May 23, 2026 @10:48PM (#48253872)
Sorry but I don't really see how this contradicts what I said in context i.e. both our statements are compatible in the context of what I was replying to
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by ungreased0675 on Saturday May 23, 2026 @09:01AM (#48247304)
Even so, frontier models get bigger and more complicated, and agentic workflows consume exponentially more tokens than the simple chat windows of two years ago.
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by hellohello2 on Saturday May 23, 2026 @10:47PM (#48253865)
I agree that the amount people pay for these services is very unlikely to decrease (i.e. Blinn's Law but for tokens). Still, the current level of "intelligence" will eventually become available for a very low price almost surely. Really I simply don't see how you can disagree with the parent's comment "There is no world in which AI is not used extensively in all employment going forward." Honestly I'd like to understand the mindset, is it mainly that you dislike working with these tools/hope they don't get imposed on you or did you actually find them harmful in your work in some way and think they are overvalued?
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by throwatdem12311 on Friday May 22, 2026 @07:50AM (#48234590)
Maybe. But I used to have unlimited Claude Code usage but now I’m relegated to whatever the subscription happens to give me and when I run out of tokens I need to trad code until my limits reset. My manager saw the bill and nearly fell out of his chair. Small companies just can’t afford the added cost of AI at the real price (and we aren’t even in the real price territory yet).

Hell, even Microsoft is having trouble paying Anthropic’s API rates.

There is a ceiling to how much people are willing to pay for work slop. Just look at the backlash to GitHub Copilot’s token based billing changes.

I don’t want to live in a world where the barrier to entry on entrepreneurship is how much you can pay Anthropic or OpenAI.

Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by dawnerd on Friday May 22, 2026 @01:18PM (#48238710)
The copilot token pricing is going to wake a lot of companies up. Even with our smaller company only using around 1/3 of our allotted requests, next month the bill will easily twice as much.
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by LtWorf on Friday May 22, 2026 @07:47AM (#48234564)
If by "using AI well" you mean kill off customer service; maybe customers will want to switch to other companies that are more expensive but have customer service.
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by eloisius on Friday May 22, 2026 @08:18AM (#48234846)
Say the line, Bart!
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by contravariant on Friday May 22, 2026 @08:49AM (#48235150)
You've somehow confused using AI well with using it extensively.

Sometimes using something well involves not using it at all.

Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by bdangubic on Friday May 22, 2026 @08:51AM (#48235168)
not using it at all is no longer an option, companies that are not using it at all will die slow/fast death but death nonetheless.
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by contravariant on Friday May 22, 2026 @10:46AM (#48236660)
That's just a baseless assumption. To use AI well you should do the things that allow you to use stuff well. You shouldn't just use it any way you can because you assume that 'not using it at all' is not the best option.

This is literally the same with every single technological development.

Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by bdangubic on Friday May 22, 2026 @12:02PM (#48237714)
> This is literally the same with every single technological development.

yup, there are a lot of successful companies today not using the internet :)

Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by contravariant on Friday May 22, 2026 @06:54PM (#48242629)
What's the LLM equivalent to email and a basic webpage?
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by bdangubic on Saturday May 23, 2026 @11:22AM (#48248456)
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by contravariant on Monday May 25, 2026 @10:33AM (#48267329)
I was expecting more like a minimal usage that makes sense for a butchery or something, not get rid of the people using email.
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by SecretDreams on Friday May 22, 2026 @09:26AM (#48235567)
Ironically, companies overusing it will probably die at a similar speed. Maybe faster, even, depending whether cash burn or technical debt catches up to them first.
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by bdangubic on Friday May 22, 2026 @10:26AM (#48236317)
100%
Re:Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI... by dawnerd on Friday May 22, 2026 @01:19PM (#48238728)
That's like saying farmers that don't use pesticides will die out. There's whole industries around doing things not the way big companies say you have to. Human-centric firms will pop up and proposer.