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Re:Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to ... by Xirdus on Wednesday May 20, 2026 @09:49AM (#48207773)
The problem with 3D Secure is that the merchant can unilaterally decide not to use it, which defeats the whole purpose of 3D Secure.
Re:Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to ... by swiftcoder on Wednesday May 20, 2026 @10:48AM (#48208786)
> the merchant can unilaterally decide not to use it

If they do so, they are telling the card issuer that they are happy to be on the hook for chargebacks/fraud. It's not an decision without consequences

Re:Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to ... by handle584 on Wednesday May 20, 2026 @11:22AM (#48209262)
Comparing to fraud 3DS reduces sales turn over by a lot, and this is the reason why for the most part it is not required in the US, too much friction during check out hurts business.
Re:Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to ... by Xirdus on Wednesday May 20, 2026 @04:29PM (#48213658)
Are they, though? Does the end customer get more post-transaction protections when not using 3D Secure? That doesn't sound right. I'd think the merchant is on the hook exactly as much either way.
Re:Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to ... by swiftcoder on Thursday May 21, 2026 @02:09AM (#48218554)
> Does the end customer get more post-transaction protections when not using 3D Secure?

That's not quite how it works. The merchant gets less protections, because they are opting to allow potentially fraudulent transactions.

The difference is whether Visa eats the cost of dealing with the fraudulent transaction

Re:Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to ... by nottorp on Wednesday May 20, 2026 @10:14AM (#48208192)
I tend to associate ignoring 3D Secure with Stripe. In the name of "less friction" of course.
Re:Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to ... by antonkochubey on Wednesday May 20, 2026 @10:27AM (#48208432)
non-3DS payments are trivial to chargeback, at least in the EU
Re:Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to ... by kccqzy on Wednesday May 20, 2026 @10:31AM (#48208521)
In America all payments are trivial to chargeback anyways.

We ought to have liability shifting. A long time ago there was a liability shift where if a merchant uses the magnetic stripe on a card equipped with a chip, then the merchant is unconditionally liable in case of a chargeback. We just needed merchants to be liable when the bank supported 3DSecure but the merchant chose not to use it.

Re:Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to ... by lxgr on Wednesday May 20, 2026 @11:09AM (#48209104)
They are everywhere. Default liability for online payments is and has always been with the merchant; only 3DS and some wallets can shift it to the issuer.