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Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by bawolff on Saturday May 16, 2026 @05:44PM (#48164082)
Which acronym do you mean? CTF? I think that acronym, just like BGP, is more well known by itself than what it stands for.

More generally, not every piece of writing is meant for every audience. Like if someone writes a blog post about CTFs aimed at people who like CTFs, nobody in the target audience needs to have CTF explained to them. Ultimately HN is a link aggregator, but sometimes its a bit like eavesdropping on a conversation. When you are just listening in you don't get the full context sometimes.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by doublescoop on Saturday May 16, 2026 @06:28PM (#48164312)
Best practice in writing about technical concepts is to spell out acronyms like this on their first use. There is a ton of stuff I learn about here on HN that I didn't know anything about before.

It doesn't help that the linked article never bothers to explain this either.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by MobiusHorizons on Saturday May 16, 2026 @06:43PM (#48164421)
Does spelling it out help? From memory, it is a security competition where participants compete to gain certain objectives. I think capture the flag may explain how scoring is kept, but it wouldn’t help me find out what it is, given that capture the flag is also just the name of a game people play outside by running, or in laser tag or in certain video games.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by bawolff on Saturday May 16, 2026 @07:27PM (#48164688)
> There is a ton of stuff I learn about here on HN that I didn't know anything about before.

But that is about you right? Its a little entitled to expect every piece of content on the internet to have a 101 explanation attached. If they were specificly aiming to have the blog post appear on HN that would be one thing, but they (presumably) weren't.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by Aurornis on Saturday May 16, 2026 @07:05PM (#48164572)
For a general audience this is good advice.

This article was written for a specific audience who follows this blog because they know the term. If you start spelling out fundamental acronyms it makes the content look more basic and general.

This always upsets the general audience who stumble upon the article (like this) but it wasn’t meant for a general audience. CTF is extremely well known and the people who would be interested in this topic would wonder what’s happening if it was spelled out. It would be so odd that it would probably attract accusations of ChatGPT writing.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by jltsiren on Sunday May 17, 2026 @03:35AM (#48166817)
It's the common practice in technical writing. Even when you are writing for other experts in the same field, your target audience never shares as much context as you would prefer. The world is much weirder and more varied than you would think.

Informal writing about technical topics is another story. There you can assume a lot more shared context, as you are only writing for a specific subculture within the field. It doesn't matter much if other people in the field fail to understand you.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by dolmen on Sunday May 17, 2026 @04:54AM (#48167172)
But this isn't "technical" writing. This is member of a community talking about the state of that community. Jargon is expected. Even more, this what I look for, even as a foreigner.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by allenrb on Saturday May 16, 2026 @08:41PM (#48165105)
When I encounter new terms, I look them up. Just like any other new word. Been doing it since I was a kid with a dictionary. Now, it’s too easy not to. There is literally no excuse.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by Gigachad on Saturday May 16, 2026 @08:53PM (#48165159)
The annoying thing is even if you know what it means, multiple groups will use the same initialisms for different terms. So without more context you can’t know what it means.

It isn’t common but I feel it would be best when posting to HN to just expand the initialisms even if the source title didn’t.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by shric on Saturday May 16, 2026 @09:01PM (#48165187)
You can also over use the same initialism: ATM the ATM is connected via ATM
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by 0x20cowboy on Saturday May 16, 2026 @09:04PM (#48165200)
I dont know what CTF stands for so I dont know if I am interested in this article or learning anything about it. Maybe I am.

Are you really arguing for not just typing out whatever 3 words this stands for once in the name of clarity?

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by bawolff on Sunday May 17, 2026 @12:03AM (#48165960)
Yes, i would argue that people writing articles about niche interests aimed at other members of that niche are under no obligation to clarify it for people outside the niche.

They aren't your teacher. They aren't trying to send the content to you. They are just blogging on their own website for their own audience.

And its hardly unique to this article. If you are writing about the nitty gritty of linux networking, you probably aren't defining what TCP or UDP means. If you are writing a super detailed article comparing and contrasting plot structures of different animes, you probably aren't going to start by explaining what the word anime means. Etc

I'm not saying the world should be all RTFM, but if you are reading some sort of specialized content, then yes i think its a reasonable assumption that the reader has some basic background knowledge on the topic at hand, or is willing to do the research themselves.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by SOLAR_FIELDS on Sunday May 17, 2026 @09:28AM (#48168757)
Especially when you can literally just paste the top paragraph into your LLM of choice and ask it to explain it to you. In the time it took the OP of this thread to write out their complaint they could have just solved it themselves
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by PunchyHamster on Saturday May 16, 2026 @09:08PM (#48165221)
it's the first result I get on anonymous google search.

It's like complaining about not spelling C in "bake cake in 170 C"

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by ruszki on Sunday May 17, 2026 @02:28AM (#48166506)
If it means capture the flag, then it means a completely different capture the flag for almost everybody. I searched for it, read the first paragraph, and I still don’t know what the fuck is the topic. According to Wikipedia it’s a very new meaning. I could figure out only because of searching for “HCKSYD” and others.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by jere on Sunday May 17, 2026 @05:18AM (#48167300)
Is 30 years old very new? We're on a site for tech people. I would wager most are familiar with this term.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by ruszki on Sunday May 17, 2026 @07:26AM (#48167923)
Its article is 5 years old… So, yeah, it’s new.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by C4K3 on Sunday May 17, 2026 @09:27AM (#48168751)
Its article was reorganized (moved from plain Capture the Flag to Capture the flag (cybersecurity)) 5 years ago. It's been on Wikipedia since 2004 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Capture_the_flag&...
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by ruszki on Sunday May 17, 2026 @10:52AM (#48169450)
Nice catch, I didn't read that part.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by sokoloff on Sunday May 17, 2026 @06:57AM (#48167789)
Most people on this site are also familiar with the “XKCD 10000”.

But not all, so: https://xkcd.com/1053/

(Amusingly, it even uses “30 years” as the timeframe.)

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by spoaceman7777 on Sunday May 17, 2026 @08:11AM (#48168210)
More acronyms?? What the heck is an XKCD??? ;)
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by jere on Sunday May 17, 2026 @08:43AM (#48168422)
Classic of course. The point being: don't make fun of people for not knowing something. In this thread we're making fun of learned helplessness.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by ruszki on Sunday May 17, 2026 @10:53AM (#48169461)
You are making fun of people who are saying that this article is shit, without addressing that part at all.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by PunchyHamster on Sunday May 17, 2026 @03:45PM (#48172573)
consider 2 conversations

"hey what X means?" "X means it"

vs

"I dont know what CTF stands for so I dont know if I am interested in this article or learning anything about it. Maybe I am.

Are you really arguing for not just typing out whatever 3 words this stands for once in the name of clarity?"

The commenter could just say the first instead of deciding his learned helplessness is everyone's else problem

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by ruszki on Monday May 18, 2026 @12:00AM (#48175434)
The commenter above replied to me, who checked what it is, which is clearly stated in my comment. So your comment cannot be applied to the guy who came up the first with "learned helplessness" in this thread, who replied to me. That guy clearly just wanted to shift the topic from that the article is shit, because they cannot do anything with it.

Also yes, search for CTF is not simple regarding security, because first you need to know that you are searching something in the topic of security. Because every other usage of this is way more frequent. Especially that there is an other way more frequent computer related usage. And the article doesn't make this clear in its first 173 words for laymen. Even I had a problem with this, who is not at all layman, just never cared about this part of security. It's a bad article.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by fg137 on Sunday May 17, 2026 @07:58AM (#48168121)
My search results for "open CTF format" beg to differ. Bear in mind that Google search results, just like ChatGPT output, are highly personalized and non deterministic, so "it's there if you do a Google search" means almost nothing these days.

In fact, I have no idea what's going on, so I came back to HN comments. Turns out it's "capture the flag" which I actually know, just not familiar with the acronym.

Which is why I am 100% with the top level comment here.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by fartfeatures on Sunday May 17, 2026 @08:23AM (#48168284)
"bake cake in 170" is genuinely confusing at first glance though.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by mastermage on Monday May 18, 2026 @06:21AM (#48177545)
There is so much wrong with this beginning with the fact that it would be correctly 170 °C (the degree is important because it implies an arbitrary scale)

Additionaly Bake Cake in 170 is very not clear, especially considering you have two major Temperature Scales in use in the Kitchen.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by ergonaught on Saturday May 16, 2026 @09:35PM (#48165345)
You could have just said “No”, if you had to say anything at all, rather than continuing the behavior.

Actively rude.

Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by razster on Saturday May 16, 2026 @10:42PM (#48165636)
What I see CTF I think Capture The Flag, Tribe player in me.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by lelandbatey on Saturday May 16, 2026 @10:45PM (#48165648)
CTF stands for "Capture The Flag" in the parent article. Just the security competition kind, not the FPS game kind.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by watt on Sunday May 17, 2026 @07:57AM (#48168118)
If you think you know what every acronym stands for, I recommend CBT.
Re:Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format by MrSkelter on Monday May 25, 2026 @05:21AM (#48264930)
It’s just bad writing. There is no such thing as a universally understood acronym. Even within fields. The cost of clarity is zero. Not elucidating means that over time the writing rots as meanings change and new “universal understandings” supersede old ones.