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Re:OpenTrafficMap by uyzstvqs on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @07:21PM (#47956013)
The site is definitely lacking. It's half in German, half in English.

The concept is that there is this protocol called ITS-G5, which is a European profile of 802.11p. Vehicles and traffic infrastructure can transmit telemetry on 5 GHz. Other vehicles and traffic infrastructure can use it for situational awareness.

This website collects that data using local receivers and aggregates it onto a map, similar to what website like ADSB-Exchange do with ADS-B.

What is concerning is that vehicles appear to broadcast a MAC address. Does this mean that ITS-G5, 802.11p, and C-ITS could be used for persistent tracking?

Re:OpenTrafficMap by alexpotato on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @07:53PM (#47956231)
This should be a top level comment as it has a ton of useful info and can be voted to the top.
Re:OpenTrafficMap by softgrow on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @08:21PM (#47956441)
Reading the translation of the talk, public transport vehicles have a persistent MAC but for private cars the MAC address changes every 15 minutes.
Re:OpenTrafficMap by ufocia on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @08:39PM (#47956597)
That still doesn't seem very private.
Re:OpenTrafficMap by Barbing on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @10:14PM (#47957286)
Particularly anywhere rural or off the beaten path
Re:OpenTrafficMap by moooo99 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:12AM (#47959242)
You wouln‘t really have the kind if hardware there. The communication relies on a multi hop mesh that would‘t work anywhere without sufficient coverage.
Re:OpenTrafficMap by izacus on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:49AM (#47959496)
You do know you have a unique ID displayed on a big tab on the vehicle, right?
Re:OpenTrafficMap by Barbing on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:52PM (#47967391)
And I don’t want to give Flock more OTA capabilities!
Re:OpenTrafficMap by interloxia on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:10AM (#47958796)
Re:OpenTrafficMap by fy20 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:13AM (#47958816)
For a vehicle with a highly visible unique identifier on the front and rear? In my country basically every private carpark has ANPR cameras, the tech is dirt cheap now.
Re:OpenTrafficMap by subscribed on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:41PM (#47966581)
It's much cheaper to deploy a dense network of cheap, covert radio loggers.
Re:OpenTrafficMap by rompic on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:27AM (#47958917)
As discussed in the video they are not resetting the packet sequence number though, making it easy to match them with the other data transmitted.
Re:OpenTrafficMap by firesteelrain on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @10:08PM (#47957252)
Did they re invent APRS?
Re:OpenTrafficMap by antman on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:50AM (#47958250)
What about the traffic lights on the map do they also have transmitters?
Re:OpenTrafficMap by moooo99 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:40AM (#47959442)
Yes, they also have transmitters. The traffic lights send out MAPEM and SPATEM messages. They describe the layout of the lanes at the intersection as well as the red/green phase timings of the signal.

In Graz, the city where the authors live, there are 165 of such signals planned.

Re:OpenTrafficMap by wumms on Thursday April 30, 2026 @05:15AM (#47960031)
> What is concerning is that vehicles appear to broadcast a MAC address.

Somewhat related: 'Your car’s tire sensors could be used to track you': https://networks.imdea.org/your-cars-tire-sensors-could-be-u...