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Re:DeepSeek v4 by raincole on Friday April 24, 2026 @02:38AM (#47886436)
> Western Models are optimizing to be used as an interchangeable product

Why? It sounds like the stupidest idea ever. Interchangeability = no lock-in = no moot.

Re:DeepSeek v4 by setr on Friday April 24, 2026 @04:05AM (#47887164)
First you clone the API of the winner, because you want to siphon users from its install-base and offer de-risked switch over cost.

Now that you’re winning, others start cloning your API to siphon your users.

Now that you’re losing, you start cloning the current winner, who is probably a clone of your clone.

Highly competitive markets tend to normalize, because lock-in is a cost you can’t charge and remain competitive. The customer holds power here, not the supplier.

Thats also why everyone is trying to build into the less competitive spaces, where they could potentially moat. Tooling, certs, specialized training data, etc

Re:DeepSeek v4 by hunter67 on Friday April 24, 2026 @03:34AM (#47886888)
Our (western) economic model forces competing individual companies to be profitable quickly. China can ignore DeepSeek losing money, because they know developing DeepSeek will help China. Not every institution needs to be profitable.
Re:DeepSeek v4 by naveen99 on Friday April 24, 2026 @06:57AM (#47888450)
You mean like intel, tesla, spacex, openai ?
Re:DeepSeek v4 by deaux on Friday April 24, 2026 @08:01AM (#47889066)
Ah yes, the Western economic model forcing individual American companies like Amazon , Youtube and Uber to become profitable after.. checks notes _14 years_ for Uber, 9 years for Amazon, many years for Youtube.
Re:DeepSeek v4 by FuckButtons on Friday April 24, 2026 @03:41AM (#47886936)
yes, they want to win the same way they won more or less every other economic competition in the last 30 years, scale out, drop prices and asphyxiate the competition.
Re:DeepSeek v4 by tick_tock_tick on Friday April 24, 2026 @03:20AM (#47886754)
They are all racing to AGI. They aren't designing them to be interchangeable they just happen to be.
Re:DeepSeek v4 by rglullis on Friday April 24, 2026 @03:29AM (#47886826)
No, they are not. If they were "racing to AGI" they would be working together. OpenAI would still be focused on being a non-profit. Anthropic wouldn't be blocking distillation on their models.
Re:DeepSeek v4 by koe123 on Friday April 24, 2026 @03:40AM (#47886929)
If by AGI you mean IPO, sure. I genuinely don't believe Dario nor Sam should be trusted at this point. Elon levels of overpromising and underdelivering.
Re:DeepSeek v4 by djmips on Friday April 24, 2026 @04:40AM (#47887420)
If by AGI you mean IPO - I automatically read that in Fireship's voice. XD
Re:DeepSeek v4 by simonjgreen on Friday April 24, 2026 @03:15AM (#47886723)
Yeah, it’s an interesting one. I think inertia and expectations at this point? I don’t think the big labs anticipated how low the model switching costs would be and how quickly their leads would be eroded (by each other and the upstarts)

They are developing their moats with the platform tooling around it right now though. Look at Anthropic with Routines and OpenAI with Agents. Drop that capability in to a business with loose controls and suddenly you have a very sticky product with high switching costs. Meanwhile if you stick with purely the ‘chat’ use cases, even Cowork and scheduled tasks, you maintain portability.

Re:DeepSeek v4 by peepee1982 on Friday April 24, 2026 @02:50AM (#47886530)
If you want other people to know whether you're being genuine or sarcastic, you'll have to put a bit more effort into your comments. Your comment just adds noise.
Re:DeepSeek v4 by kennyloginz on Friday April 24, 2026 @03:12AM (#47886705)
What da?