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Re:Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance so... by amiga386 on Wednesday April 22, 2026 @07:57AM (#47862316)
"Companies should be able to offer massively addictive and manipulative websites, since their users are free to not look at them" is not compatible with a decent society either.
Re:Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance so... by andrepd on Wednesday April 22, 2026 @08:03AM (#47862378)
> since their users are free to not look at them

It's even worse when you consider that even if you were to opt out of Meta services entirely (which is not practical due to how many essential things run on e.g. whatsapp), they still build a shadow profile on you based only on data other people upload about you. So yeah, not only "just don't use it" is not a reasonable argument, it doesn't even solve anything!

Re:Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance so... by onemoresoop on Wednesday April 22, 2026 @08:06AM (#47862412)
Their argument: users are free not to think about it.
Re:Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance so... by mingus88 on Wednesday April 22, 2026 @08:48AM (#47862820)
> which is not practical due to how many essential things run on e.g. whatsapp

Where do you live that WhatsApp is essential?

I deleted my account when Facebook bought it and I don’t feel like anything of value was lost. Between messages/sms, signal, telegram, discord, I have no shortage of places to chat.

WhatsApp only has value because of the network effect. Quit the platform and make your contacts find you elsewhere. Every platform dies eventually. The users just need to leave.

I don’t really care about the shadow profile. Meta is hardly the first to build a database of non customers, and it’s not the only such database I’m in. I avoid all Meta services and will never see an ad from them.

Re:Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance so... by piva00 on Wednesday April 22, 2026 @09:24AM (#47863274)
> Where do you live that WhatsApp is essential?

In Brazil, for example, without WhatsApp you are an outcast of modern society there, businesses communicate with customers on WhatsApp, whole families and friend groups only use WhatsApp.

> WhatsApp only has value because of the network effect. Quit the platform and make your contacts find you elsewhere. Every platform dies eventually. The users just need to leave.

The network effect is exactly what makes it really hard for any single user to decide "I'm leaving" and tell every single person they need to be in touch to contact on another platform they don't use. What you are suggesting is simply impossible on an individual level, the only way it happens is if the platform has major issues that bleed users because it isn't working or the platform is made inaccessible by the government. Even a better competitor appearing will have a very hard time to crack the market share of a established network exactly due to network effects.

Re:Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance so... by nyantaro1 on Wednesday April 22, 2026 @04:00PM (#47868506)
Same exact case in Mexico. Likely in most other Latin-American countries as well
Re:Irony as Meta staff unhappy about running surveillance so... by derwiki on Thursday April 23, 2026 @09:03AM (#47875264)
I live in San Francisco and essentially everything around little kids/school lives on WhatsApp. It is supremely annoying.