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Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by outside1234 on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @12:05AM (#47685067)
Territorial expansion was probably always Israel's goal of this, with a bonus of weakening a regional rival.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by flyinglizard on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @12:34AM (#47685289)
Lebanon was once again proven to be unable to control its own territory against an Iranian militia attacking Israel. Taking this land is the only way that Israel could:

1. Assure there will not be forces 2. Acquire a bargaining chip ahead of a future peace agreement with Lebanon 3. Signal to the Iranian axis and the rest of the Middle East that it has won this war, which is important deterrence.

Land is much more significant than life or property in the Middle Eastern culture. You could kill all of Hezbollah but one and they would emerge at the end of the conflict and claim victory, but you can't really spin reality to claim a victory when you lost land.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by ImPostingOnHN on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @12:52AM (#47685431)
> 1. Assure there will not be forces

It's not israel's place as the aggressor to "assure" anything. Lebanon (and Palestine) have *at least* as much right to be safe from israel as israel has to be safe from them.

"Assuring" as used by you here should be taken in the same context as a controlling abuser "assuring" their spouse never disobeys them, or afrikaaners "assuring" that South Africans of other races have no power.

> 2. Acquire a bargaining chip ahead of a future peace agreement with Lebanon

Yes, this is territorial expansion as mentioned above.

> 3. Signal to the Iranian axis and the rest of the Middle East that it has won this war

Why would israel signal that Iran has won this war? Seems like they'd want to avoid attention on that.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by citrin_ru on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @02:23AM (#47686109)
We may disagree about methods Israel uses to protect its citizens but it's cleary that Hezballah is an attacker and Isreal is defending. Without attacks from Hezballah and other Iranian backed groups Isreal would not have attacked targets in Lebanon. Even the most recent escalation started with Hezballah attacking Israel, not other way around.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by Thlom on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @03:56AM (#47686856)
Do you not read the news? Israel was bombing Lebanon DAILY and occupying parts of southern Lebanon throughout the so called ceasefire. All without Hezbollah firing a single shot in retalliation until Israel and the US attacked Iran DURING NEGOTIATIONS!
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by RobertoG on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @03:38AM (#47686696)
Man, Hezbollah was, literally, created as an answer to Israel attacks.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by ImPostingOnHN on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @02:40AM (#47686219)
It's clear that israel is an attacker here, and Iran, Palestine, and Lebanon are defending. Without attacks from israel and other israel backed groups, iran would not have attacked targets in israel. Even the most recent escalation started with israel (and the USA) attacking Iran a few weeks ago, not the other way around.

Your take seems to hinge on holding an unfounded bayesian prior that israel is "the good guy" and therefore everything they do must be "defending". The world does not share this unfounded bayesian prior of yours, and thus remains unconvinced of the resulting conclusions drawn by israel and yourself. You will have to do a better job of convincing others, rather than simply asserting your opinions at them.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by PowerElectronix on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @04:18AM (#47687009)
I think that expelling all shia muslims from the recently conquered territory is a bit more than defending oneself.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by citrin_ru on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @07:08AM (#47688550)
It is. Actions go beyond what is minimally necessary to ensure security but without attacks from Hezbollah there would be no military actions in Lebanon. Israel doesn't attack Jordan or Egypt because they don't host Iranian backed militants who do attack. Lebanon will be in the same position if Hezbollah will be gone (which is not given).
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by ImPostingOnHN on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @09:43AM (#47690135)
> without attacks from Hezbollah there would be no military actions in Lebanon.

Without attacks from israel, there would be no response from Lebanon, Palestine, Iran, etc.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by riffraff on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @04:24AM (#47687050)
> Without attacks from Hezballah and other Iranian backed groups Isreal would not have attacked targets in Lebanon

Israel also bombed southern Syria, to "protect the druze community". Syria has not attacked Israel, there are some random terrorist groups who did, but they attacked Israels' occupying forces in Syria.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by 21asdffdsa12 on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @06:50AM (#47688343)
Syria tried to genocide the druze. Out in public - and the international community just didn't give a damn. Israel was the only faction to defend minorities against the facist, islamo-supremacist hordes of the current syrian government.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by ImPostingOnHN on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @08:32AM (#47689291)
israel is actually genociding Palestinians, so this excuse is pretty laughable. Especially since israel is claiming control over the land, just like they invade Lebanon "for defense", just like they invade Gaza "for defense", and now they attack Iran "for defense".

Wake up: pretty much nobody believes the fascist, judeo-supremacist hordes of the current israeli government.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by 1234letshaveatw on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @11:31AM (#47691598)
nobody in your echo chamber you mean?
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by ImPostingOnHN on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @12:00PM (#47692030)
Of course not, why would I mean that?

Are you sure you aren't in one of your own? Look to UNGA resolutions to see outside the bubble.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by ra on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @04:26AM (#47687071)
If it wasn't for Israel's dogged expansionism, Hezballah would never have been created, Hamas would never have been created and Palestine would still be a liberal democracy.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by johnbarron on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @07:19AM (#47688661)
Hamas was created with Israel support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

"...In an interview with Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit in December 2012, Netanyahu told Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Netanyahu also added that having two strong rivals, this would lessen pressure on him to negotiate towards a Palestinian state..."

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by Sabinus on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @06:54PM (#47697257)
>Palestine would still be a liberal democracy

When was Palestine a liberal democracy?

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by komali2 on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @10:59PM (#47698829)
PA

Their brief democratic period was inconvenient to Israel, which is why when Netanyahu decided to fund Hamas, he first said that Hamas is important to keep Palestine divided.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by xg15 on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @06:43AM (#47688263)
Forward-defending by making a million people homeless and taking 13% of the country.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by flyinglizard on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @08:34AM (#47689315)
I think you are a bit confused as to what the role of a state should be. A state is not set up to appease international bodies, or to be a convenient neighbor or to be likable by throwaway accounts on HN. Its first and only duty is towards its citizens. The same people who pay taxes, vote and serve in the armed forces. And if an Iranian militia sets up post two miles away from your towns, digs cross border attack tunnels to prepare for a raid and shoots missiles and drones at you, you better believe that country is going to respond in force.

Israel had previously turned a blind eye to that after the large big confrontation in 2006, but since October 7th - and conveniently, Hezbollah unilaterally joining the attack on Israel a day later - a switch was flipped and Israel went all out, as was its duty.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by ImPostingOnHN on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @02:36PM (#47694379)
It's easy to read your statement as having been said of Ukraine by Putin. And just as oblivious to why your neighbor isn't your friend, and is setting up defenses, and is fighting back against your attacks and frequent territorial incursions.

Both russia and israel feel they should be able to unilaterally control their neighbors, and both have an equal non-right to do so. Both claim neighboring country land should be theirs, and both use military force and genocide to make that happen. Both even believe it is their religious birthright to do so.

israel and russia: two self-righteous peas in a pod.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by komali2 on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @11:03PM (#47698844)
If Israel is interested in protecting its citizenry, it should probably stop letting them occupy the territory of its neighbors, or rape prisoners.

Sometimes preventing blowback is the best strategy.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by 21asdffdsa12 on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @06:47AM (#47688310)
That is such a boring brain-dead myth. Israel has traded in territory numerous times, kicking out the settlers, handing over what was in effect working farms and buisnesses. * Sinai * Ghaza * Lebanon The result was always the same- more attacks on Israel, more fanatics taking over, more of the same horror. The peace through land strategy has never worked. Because the assailants are not interested in any form of peaceful coexistance or well beeing for their people or families. They want to wage a absolut dhijhad
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by twobitshifter on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @07:11AM (#47688579)
No…attacks do not follow as a consequence from the action of giving land back. The conclusion from this reasoning would be to forever expand your borders. If it cannot be that the positive action of giving land causes an attack, think about what the real cause may be.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by umanwizard on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @07:52AM (#47688928)
They have given back territory they don’t care about (Sinai), or “given back” territory but kept it under a permanent near-total blockade and military control (Gaza), but never given back territory they do care about and which is the main sticking point of the conflict (East Jerusalem and the West Bank). And they never will unless someone forces them to, which is unlikely.
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by zorobo on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @12:14PM (#47692246)
In the 75 years of their existence it seems like they suck at expansion.

They should take a page from Indonesia’s book for example. Or turkey.

Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by oblio on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @03:36PM (#47695200)
Indonesia?
Re:Trump announces two-week ceasefire as Iran says talks to ... by zorobo on Wednesday April 08, 2026 @04:45PM (#47696027)
Takeover of half of Papua New Guinea, now called irian Jaya. Transmigration, that is, moving Java people there and to Borneo (Kalimantan)in order to flood local populations with Malays.

But this did not make the news that much. Not that interesting I guess…