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Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by butILoveLife on Thursday March 12, 2026 @11:56AM (#47352700)
Makes sense for short term damage control. However, I think in the medium and long term you end up having productivity hits from such measures.

I know its unpopular to say, but when I have my 2 programmers in office, we get sooo much more done than at home. Someone gets stuck and we don't message/call, we just talk.

Although, if you want to justify WFH, introverted-like people do not get the same level of benefit as extroverted-like people in this situation. The extroverted people will just start talking. The introverted people need to be asked.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by alexjplant on Thursday March 12, 2026 @12:13PM (#47353052)
> I know its unpopular to say, but when I have my 2 programmers in office, we get sooo much more done than at home. Someone gets stuck and we don't message/call, we just talk.

The technology exists to "just talk" in high-definition audio and video. If somebody isn't asking for help when they're stuck that's a people problem, not a remote work problem. There are several possible reasons for their avoidance; if multiple people are exhibiting the same behavior it could be cultural (specific to your workplace, not the person's upbringing). Using physical presence to force their hand is curing the symptom, not the underlying cause.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by butILoveLife on Thursday March 12, 2026 @12:23PM (#47353240)
But it gets solved when we are in-person.

We could develop new technology, research culture solutions... or... meet in-person.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by eikenberry on Thursday March 12, 2026 @03:25PM (#47355818)
But it introduces a whole new set of problems for your employees... but not for you, so you don't care.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by roadside_picnic on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:16PM (#47354992)
> develop new technology, research culture solutions.

The technology and culture solutions have existed and been evolving for 20 years. It really sounds like your experience with remote work is not representative.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by butILoveLife on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:55PM (#47355458)
Given basically 100% of companies ended remote work, its probably the majority experience.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by Daishiman on Thursday March 12, 2026 @03:21PM (#47355776)
The number of remote companies is enormous but they're not loud about it.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by array_key_first on Friday March 13, 2026 @12:25AM (#47360681)
Almost 100% of companies are stupid and make bad, bad software that their customer's begrudgingly put up with, so I'm not surprised.

Seriously, how much software have you used that was genuinely good? For me, almost none. All the software I use, I tolerate.

Look, companies are made up of people and have all the downsides of humanity. That means the people making the decisions are egotistical, emotionally-driven, irrational, and a bit narcissistic. They still do okay enough, and that's all they need to achieve.

If you want my perspective, I think WFH ended just because executives did not like it. That's it. They didn't like how much autonomy it gave their workers, it didn't feel fair to them, so they said no, because they can. All the other analysis is mostly bullshit.

I mean, Jesus Christ, do you think my company makes just about any decisions because of data or economics? No! That's not to say they don't have data behind it. Of course they do, it's just very obviously bullshit. Everyone knows what's going on. People want things done a certain way, so they do that and then just make up a justification later to tell their dumbass investors who couldn't tell a hole in the ground from their asshole. Nobody has the balls or humility to say "look, I just want it this way". So, everyone has to lie and make up numbers and reasoning.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by a456463 on Thursday March 12, 2026 @01:13PM (#47354085)
you can just send "hey you got 5 mins"? you have to do that in person. you do that on chat. nothing different. this is a made up reason. I do this all day, everyday
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by butILoveLife on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:18PM (#47355020)
I'm the manager. They do not send that message. They either are trying and never giving up, or... doing dishes.

I check in, and it ends up being story time about non-issues.

In person, its a 'hows it going?' and they say either 'good, still working' or 'stuck...'.

I would love if WFH was as effective. I could reduce my labor costs and probably have happier workers.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by dg08 on Thursday March 12, 2026 @03:27PM (#47355847)
You're getting a lot of replies from other ICs that do well in a WFH setting, but I can say from a manager perspective, it's not always the manager or process. I've been managing remote teams for years since before covid and some people just don't do well without the in-person structure.

It's possible to build a high performing remote team, but it's not easy.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by ytoawwhra92 on Friday March 13, 2026 @12:28AM (#47360692)
> some people just don't do well without the in-person structure

Structure is what makes remote work well. IME places that rely on everyone being together in-person to make sure things get done have poorly-defined structure.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by hephaes7us on Thursday March 12, 2026 @03:37PM (#47355970)
You could reduce your labor costs and reduce the aggravation you are causing teammates if you changed your attitude.

It's possible to drive results and create a culture of accountability without dragging people into the room with you just so you can interrupt their work in-person.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by conception on Thursday March 12, 2026 @03:01PM (#47355540)
Considering it’s very easy to send a how’s it going Slack message or whatever this seems more like a issue of keeping the conversation on task than a slack issue
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by lossyalgo on Thursday March 12, 2026 @12:18PM (#47353140)
So you're saying we should only put extroverted people in the office and introverted people get to WFH? ;)
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by butILoveLife on Thursday March 12, 2026 @12:26PM (#47353294)
Honestly... maybe... I've thought about this.

But I also am a bit reluctant to hire introverts for this specific (entry level) job. They will not ask for help to their and my detriment.

Being a bit casual and not making grand claims: I should hire Senior introverts and have them WFH. I should hire entry level extroverts and have them in person.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by a456463 on Thursday March 12, 2026 @01:14PM (#47354101)
so you are accepting that you discriminate and acknowledging the in office unfavorably favors extroverts which is what everyone in this thread has been saying.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by idiotsecant on Thursday March 12, 2026 @12:08PM (#47352930)
Sounds like your problem is that management hasn't provided the right tools to be productive.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by butILoveLife on Thursday March 12, 2026 @12:12PM (#47353024)
Go ahead.....
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by a456463 on Thursday March 12, 2026 @01:14PM (#47354108)
Sounds like a yes and you don't know how to manage.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by apercu on Thursday March 12, 2026 @12:25PM (#47353265)
That's not a global issue though - I have people who I have worked with for years, we're highly productive and we've never met in person.

Especially these days where it's soooo easy to chat, video call, share screens, etc.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by butILoveLife on Thursday March 12, 2026 @12:28PM (#47353323)
But would you be more productive in person? I am just describing my experience. In a 4 hour block, people will ask a dozen questions in-person. WFH, I'm lucky to get a single phone call despite begging them to call to ask questions.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by moooo99 on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:04PM (#47354838)
I entered the workforce during covid, underwent a return to office mandate only to get a new job that is fully WFH.

I am easily twice as productive in my own hive than I am in the office. The office is full of distractions, noise, it is not as ergonomic as my setup at home and i get to waste 90min a day commuting.

In some very specific instances i see value in going to the office, productivity during everyday work is not among them

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by butILoveLife on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:29PM (#47355159)
I know what you mean. I'm not sure why my office doesnt have distractions. We take breaks, but its not like when I was at a fortune 20 company where I'd spend an hour drinking coffee and catching up with people in other departments.

If I had to guess, we are such a small office that its obvious if someone is distracted and I can nudge them back to work.

Saying all of this outloud, you are making me realize I have the office style of a panopticon. At least my workers seem to genuinely like working.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by Plasmoid on Thursday March 12, 2026 @01:02PM (#47353913)
I'm not sure that counting "How it's going?" as a productivity stat is the win you think it is.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by butILoveLife on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:30PM (#47355171)
When they say 'stuck...' and we fix a problem, I'd count that as a win.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by throwaway82931 on Thursday March 12, 2026 @01:02PM (#47353916)
> when I have my 2 programmers in office

I'd like to think that you see "my 2 programmers" as "my team" but I've come to expect phrasing like "when we have our 2 programmers in office". That perspective emphasizes that we're all in this together, rather than serfs working for the benefit of the lord.

The "my programmers" phrasing plays into my prejudice that one reason you like having "your programmers" in office is the exhilaration you feel in seeing them at your beck and call.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by blell on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:54PM (#47355447)
Yep, your comment is deranged.
Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by roadside_picnic on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:09PM (#47354910)
Sounds like you don't have a lot of remote work experience.

The majority of my career (years before the pandemic) has been remote work. I find in office work painfully slow. I pair program quite often remote, and when someone gets stuck we also "just talk". Honestly I prefer screen sharing to leaning over someone's shoulder (much easier to doing supporting work in parallel).

I find it really depends on the type of org though. Large corporate places do tend to suffer from remote work because so much of the work is performative anyway. Remote small companies and startups the velocity is very high, but you do need more senior people capable of independent work.

Especially when you factor in the easy of "after hours" work, the amount of emergency stuff I've shipped around midnight is incomparable to the 'in office' equivalent.

Though I suspect the key word here is "my 2 programmers", I find managers don't feel like their doing work unless they're physically watching it get done.

Not understanding how to run a remote team is not the same as remote teams not being effective in principle.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by starkparker on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:11PM (#47354937)
> if you want to justify WFH, introverted-like people do not get the same level of benefit as extroverted-like people in this situation

I'm introverted and did just fine in an office, because the company culture was that coworkers all talked to each other about how they preferred to work (preferably no more often than once a quarter) and then respected that. When we moved to WFH during lockdown, that practice continued.

I've also WFH at remote-first companies that did not practice, encourage, or enforce ICs communicating to find and document better ways to work together, and have not been served remotely as well by the result.

Re:Asia rolls out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caus... by asdff on Thursday March 12, 2026 @03:12PM (#47355679)
Why take weekends off? Why take nights off? There are probably teams in some basement in china out working you right now. Don't you want a worker that can commit fully to your product? Have you measured hit to output from producing and rearing offspring? Those are jobs for the broodmares not engineers! Specialize specialize specialize!