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Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by jpfromlondon on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @12:37PM (#47337832)
America is at least as guilty of mispronouncing non-english words it's just natural drift.

As to fillet and valet, they joined english before the contemporary french pronunciation, and are much closer to the middle-french.

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by rkomorn on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @01:30PM (#47338545)
I'm always amused by some mispronunciations that stray farther away from the original than necessary.

My favorite is probably crepe, which Americans pronounce like an almost diphthong-y craype (or crape like grape I guess) when crep (like step) would do just fine and be closer to the original.

But as a native French and basically-native American speaker, I also couldn't really care less about it, or about things like Americans pronouncing the t in croissant, or French people being unable to say the.

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by tracker1 on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:02PM (#47339750)
The plural is what gets me though crepes (just sounds weird as krehps vs krayps).
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by rkomorn on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:38PM (#47340212)
I kinda get it, but you can say step and stehps, not stayps, so why not krehps?

I say it the American way when I speak English anyway because that's just how it is. :)

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by jpfromlondon on Thursday March 12, 2026 @06:39AM (#47348839)
I notice the variance in british and american pronunciation of especially romance + greek words, correct or otherwise and I'm willing to give credit where it's due, I'm also happy to celebrate the differences rather than mock or correct them, I just won't accept the slander!
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by djeastm on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @01:31PM (#47338558)
>America is at least as guilty of mispronouncing non-english words it's just natural drift.

See also: Cairo, IL or Versailles, KY...

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by teachrdan on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @01:55PM (#47338882)
Is the Illinois one the same pronunciation as "KAY-ro", Georgia?
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by tigerlily on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @02:09PM (#47339081)
Notre Dame, IN
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by nobody9999 on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @01:47PM (#47338774)
Or Wilkes-Barre, PA
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by teachrdan on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @01:54PM (#47338874)
Or Montpelier, VT!
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by _0ffh on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @04:11PM (#47340751)
Birmingham, AL
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by sanswork on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:32PM (#47340124)
Delhi, Ca -> Del-High

Fontainebleau State Park -> Fountain Blue State Park

These were two off the ones that really stood out from my travels.

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by unzadunza on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:37PM (#47340202)
Or Pueblo, Salida and Buena Vista CO
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by dogmatism on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:36PM (#47340186)
Calais, ME
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by canucker2016 on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @08:46PM (#47344762)
Detroit, MI
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by wlonkly on Thursday March 12, 2026 @09:13AM (#47350109)
Not just Americans! I will add the small town of L'Ardoise, NS, pronounced "Lordways".
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by hnuser123456 on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @01:30PM (#47338540)
Apparently, workers on the Gemini space program pronounced it "Jeh-mih-nee" back then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gemini#Pronunciation
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by jpfromlondon on Thursday March 12, 2026 @06:33AM (#47348777)
the soft g is triggering, I can hear my classics tutor yelling even 20+ years later, don't get me started on the american pronunciation of hegemony!
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by dhosek on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @04:46PM (#47341435)
I’ve always said that one key difference between British English and American English is that a British speaker will intentionally mispronounce a foreign word, while an American will attempt to pronounce it correctly but get it wrong anyway.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by jpfromlondon on Thursday March 12, 2026 @06:28AM (#47348727)
It's much deeper than that probably because the kludge of english is in large part french.

But I also completely disagree, I don't think americans are attempting to pronounce croissant correctly for example, whereas brits will be much closer with no attempt at intentional mispronunciation, it just happens that brits are much closer on some and further on others, and vice versa re americans.

and I don't think there is any malice, in fact it became common among the british aspirational middle-class in the 70s to adopt french words in an attempt to appear cultured and upper, ironically now a clear marker of non-u.

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by GJim on Thursday March 12, 2026 @10:12AM (#47350781)
> it became common among the british aspirational middle-class in the 70s to adopt french words in an attempt to appear cultured

Mon dieu Rodney!