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Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by Osmium on Friday November 02, 2012 @10:39AM (#4732788)
Apologies for being somewhat off-topic, but does anybody know if there are citizenship requirements for working at a place like SpaceX?

I have a solid background in materials science and metallurgy from a world-class university, and find what Musk is doing very inspirational. After I finish my PhD, I'd love to be a part of it, but I'm British and I know with some companies in the industry there're citizenship requirements for security reasons. As he mentions in the interview, they wouldn't want China stealing their ideas, for example. And I know a lot of the job postings on SpaceX list "US citizen or permanent resident" as a requirement, but I didn't know if this was a hard and fast rule, or whether exceptions are possible.

Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by jlgreco on Friday November 02, 2012 @10:57AM (#4732902)
I think the limitation is actually put in place by the US government because rocket technology is basically weapons technology. I may be wrong about that though.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by 46Bit on Friday November 02, 2012 @12:24PM (#4733344)
It very much is a government thing, yes. I've looked into this in the past when looking at internship opportunities.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by Osmium on Friday November 02, 2012 @11:02AM (#4732935)
That's what I feared.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by starpilot on Friday November 02, 2012 @01:30PM (#4733741)
It's not that hard to become a US permanent resident. SpaceX doesn't hire many PhD's though, they're quite manufacturing/design oriented. The guys I knew who got in were all bachelor's and master's holders with hands-on experience building stuff that flies (mostly via student projects) and high gpa's (3.7+) from good schools.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by Osmium on Friday November 02, 2012 @01:53PM (#4733877)
Thanks for the info and the advice. I know my PhD isn't going to help me, at least not directly, because it's only peripherally related but my undergrad background is very solid. I've also interned at Rolls-Royce working on jet engines, and I know the kind of materials design issues they'll be running up against. e.g. in the article he mentions stir welding, something I've studied (and had the pleasure of visiting the organisation that developed it, TWI). So while I don't have actual "hands-on" experience building stuff that flies, I still think I could be useful.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by geoffw8 on Friday November 02, 2012 @02:58PM (#4734200)
Dude go for it! Sounds like the opportunity of a life time and you sound like you know your stuff. Send some emails!
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by danielweber on Friday November 02, 2012 @12:33PM (#4733418)
Don't forget that Elon Musk was born in South Africa and became an American citizen. You would definitely have to move to the US and plan to stay, but Musk won't hate immigrants.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by Macca on Friday November 02, 2012 @11:09AM (#4732971)
It's a hard and fast rule. You must either be a US citizen or permanent resident. ITAR is the reason.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by Osmium on Friday November 02, 2012 @11:27AM (#4733062)
That's a real shame, but understandable. It's too bad they have to artificially restrict their talent pool like that.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by maaku on Friday November 02, 2012 @02:11PM (#4733967)
Get on the track for citizenship. We in the aerospace industry have a long and glorious tradition of Americanizing engineers for space program.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by misterbwong on Friday November 02, 2012 @10:44AM (#4732828)
Try applying and find out. You have nothing to lose but a little time.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by Osmium on Friday November 02, 2012 @10:47AM (#4732848)
I won't be in a position to apply for another two years, but if I thought there was even a chance of being accepted there're things I could do in the meantime to make myself a much more attractive applicant.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by skrebbel on Friday November 02, 2012 @11:08AM (#4732963)
Then ask them that. Really, competent potential hires showing early interest for that reason is the dream of every engineering/R&D HR person. They'll be very happy to tell you what you want to know if you're at all interesting for them as a potential hire. Spontaneous passionate applicants are usually much more interesting to a high tech company than nearly anyone a recruiter can come up with.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by ballooney on Friday November 02, 2012 @10:54AM (#4732886)
If you want potentially revolutionary, reusable space projects with some ninja materials science, there is a project rather closer to home for you, which you might be interested in:

www.reactionengines.co.uk

Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by Osmium on Friday November 02, 2012 @11:15AM (#4733005)
Thanks, the link's appreciated. I've heard of REL before, but I didn't realise they were doing quite so well at the moment!
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by maaku on Friday November 02, 2012 @02:09PM (#4733955)
Yes, you must be a U.S. citizen. It's an ITAR restriction (google it) because essentially you'd be working on an intercontinental ballistic missile.
Re:Elon Musk’s Mission to Mars by lutorm on Friday November 02, 2012 @04:39PM (#4734632)
OR permanent resident.