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Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by denkmoon on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @06:18PM (#47144892)
The team involved in this analysis, Forensic Architecture, have a pretty decent youtube channel showing how they do things: https://www.youtube.com/@forensicarchitecture1967/videos
Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by richardfeynman on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @06:22PM (#47144941)
They also have a documented history of being wrong.
Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by Sebguer on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @08:54PM (#47146317)
can you provide that history? the best I can find is a single story where they incorrectly reported four children as dead, which I can only really find being discussed in reddit comments. surely if they have a 'documented history of being wrong' you're referring to something more material?
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Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by denkmoon on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @09:08PM (#47146407)
Depends how much you weight you place on 'anti-Israel NGO'. Assessing for myself by simply watching the content, I do not find it objectionable. Referring to what is happening in Gaza as 'ethnic cleansing' is not biased language, it is calling a spade a spade. IMO.
Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by austin-cheney on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @09:03PM (#47146375)
I skimmed through that page but did not notice anything remotely negative.
Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by mzajc on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @09:13PM (#47146439)
The Wikipedia page for ngo-monitor.org is quite revealing:

> NGO Monitor is a right-wing organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO (non-governmental organisation) activity from a pro-Israel perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO_Monitor

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Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by ceejayoz on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @09:45PM (#47146649)
Huh. You, a comment earlier: "They also have a documented history of being wrong."

Care to "refute the claims" in the linked report instead of attacking the messenger?

Even the IDF had to admit it happened when the video came out. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-isr...

Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by richardfeynman on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @12:12AM (#47147582)
Someone said I shouldn't be trusted because I'm a zionist. Not because I've gotten things wrong or made errors, but because of who I am. That's a classic ad hominem.

By contrast, I correctly pointed out that Forensic Architecture has a history of getting things wrong. That is true and useful as one heuristic in evaluating their present argument.

So there is a clear difference.

With that said, it is fair of you to ask me to refute the specific claims. Here are some problems I notice based on a skim.

- No independent verification: raw audio/video isn’t published, no hashes/chain-of-custody, and key artifacts are "available upon request" (shot-marking files, scripts). They also use ML denoise for speech enhancement. In a poisoned info space, that’s a giant trust-me step, no good for OSINT.

- Model guided by testimony: the minute-by-minute reconstruction claims relies on witness walk-throughs in a 3D model to fill gaps. Wartime testimony (especially in Gaza) is notoriously unreliable, yet the writeup reads like courtroom certainty.

- Headlin eexaggeration. "point blank range" reads like the whole event was muzzle-close. In the report it’s basically "8 shots from between vehicles" + one inferred 1–4m shot. That’s not killed point blank.

- Overconfident negatives: no exchange of fire is a strong claim based on limited recordings. Absence of audible return fire in a few clips isn’t proof.

- Quick search reveals names of 15 dead are PRCS: Mustafa Khafaja; Ezz El-Din Shaat; Saleh Muammar; Refaat Radwan; Muhammad Bahloul; Ashraf Abu Libda; Muhammad al-Hila; Raed al-Sharif. Civil Defense: Zuhair Abdul Hamid al-Farra; Samir Yahya al-Bahapsa; Ibrahim Nabil al-Maghari; Fouad Ibrahim al-Jamal; Youssef Rassem Khalifa; Anwar al-Attar. UNRWA: Kamal Mohammed Shahtout.

The IDF claims that the six in the Hamas civil defense force were militants. I can't personally verify this, but I'd say that's a rather important detail missing from this article.

Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by Arainach on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @01:53AM (#47148217)
None of those things is "a history of getting things wrong". You've failed to link to any evidence criticizing their past investigations.
Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @10:07AM (#47152539)
None of these are refutations.

For example:

> Overconfident negatives: no exchange of fire is a strong claim based on limited recordings. Absence of audible return fire in a few clips isn’t proof.

> - Quick search reveals names of 15 dead are PRCS: Mustafa Khafaja; Ezz El-Din Shaat; Saleh Muammar; Refaat Radwan; Muhammad Bahloul; Ashraf Abu Libda; Muhammad al-Hila; Raed al-Sharif. Civil Defense: Zuhair Abdul Hamid al-Farra; Samir Yahya al-Bahapsa; Ibrahim Nabil al-Maghari; Fouad Ibrahim al-Jamal; Youssef Rassem Khalifa; Anwar al-Attar. UNRWA: Kamal Mohammed Shahtout.

Even the IDF itself won't go this far in trying to muddle the waters.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-85076...

"The IDF did not use the six Hamas terrorists who were wearing dual hats, as medics and terrorists, as an excuse for the mistakes made in the episode, given that the IDF forces involved did not know whether they were Hamas – and when the soldiers got up close to them, they found that they were unarmed."

Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by JasonADrury on Wednesday February 25, 2026 @02:52PM (#47156892)
>- Headlin eexaggeration. "point blank range" reads like the whole event was muzzle-close. In the report it’s basically "8 shots from between vehicles" + one inferred 1–4m shot. That’s not killed point blank.

I'm sure all those distances are well below the point blank range of the weapons used by the IDF soldiers.

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Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by OsrsNeedsf2P on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @09:45PM (#47146655)
The problem GP is the claims and the messenger are the same in this case. I have now spent 15 minutes trying to validate your claims and can't find anything substantial. It's a waste of reader's time.
Re:IDF Killed Gaza Aid Workers at Point Blank Range in 2025 ... by cyberdick on Tuesday February 24, 2026 @11:23PM (#47147332)
Oh, I remember this one. 4 ambulances full of totally for real paramedics all decided to race each other to a random field near an IDF camp and run into the field in the middle of the night with no flashlights. That's called heroism, folks! That's how you save lives!!

Then the evil IDF decided for no reason whatsoever that these heroes were probably setting up an ambush or trying to infiltrate their camp and fired on them. Of course, they claimed that the ambulances were driving erratically (true), didn't have their sirens on (true), and didn't have their headlights on (FALSE!!!) so now we know that they're committing a genocide and lying about it.

Some (((Zionists))) have tried to argue that it was a mistranslation and they meant headlamps, but there's no way that could be right. Why the heck would a paramedic have a headlamp on when they run into a dark field in the middle of the night?