Step 1: Get 6 million of you systematically eradicated in Europe and hundreds of thousands more booted from their homes in the Middle East for "reasons".
Step 2: Build yourself a country so no one can throw you out again.
Step 3: Get attacked by the countries who threw you out for "reasons".
Step 4: Get accused of "aggression".
People's continued downplay and revisionism of Jewish and Israeli history is truly something to behold.
Step 2: Build a country out of Lego- I mean, gradually settle an existing, populated area of the Levant - Palestine - and then have daddy Britain and later big daddy USA forcibly carve out a chunk of the land without input from the natives. And no, it was not a UN partition plan because most of the world was still colonized at the time.
Step 3: Take advantage of the obvious discontent with this move by the natives and activate Plan Dalet to take even more of the land. After all, the land granted by the partition plan is not enough.
Step 4: War starts with neighboring countries, partly to disrupt the ethnic cleansing campaign against a mostly defenseless population, but also to satisfy their own expansionist aims (esp. Transjordan).
The people who fled Europe or forced out of the Middle East purchased empty lands, dried marshes, planted forests, installed infrastructure, sown fields, built cities and created a democracy to govern themselves. Incidentally, some purchased lands had squatters from Syria, Jordan, Arabia, etc., who lived on lands they did not own. Bye bye and boo hoo.
Seven different armies invaded Israel on its day of foundation. Seven armies got wrecked. Entire countries with billions of people keep crying about it, going so far as making the destruction of Israel an official goal, in some countries even actual laws! No conspiracy theories, no "Plan Dalet" and other bullshit your Hamas friends told you about, their real, actual goals stated right in your face.
I know that the pro-Palestinian side attempts to erase any link of Jewish people to the area, but there are documents that are not even 100 years old.
> And no, it was not a UN partition plan because most of the world was still colonized at the time.
And I can't even begin to fathom what this means.
As you noted in an another comment, Plan Dalet was corroborated by Israeli historians. Which is false. It was corroborated by one Israeli historian, who retracted his findings after finding out his source for the writings of Ben-Gurion were edited posthumously.
And "war starts" is a very nice and PG way to phrase "attempted to genocide Jews".
> The British famously backed the Palestinians
No, the British backed the Jordanians, not the Palestinians. Jordan had its own goals as I alluded to elsewhere. I would recommend reading a bit further on the subtleties and limits to that backing, as well as the strategic reasons for said backing. But I wasn’t talking about the war at all here.
They withdrew because they did not know how to balance the two sides. It was a hot potato, so they threw into the lap of the US.
> And I can't even begin to fathom what this means.
How many seats were there at the UNGA at the time? And how many of those seats belonged to countries who could make sovereign decisions without fear of repercussion from the newly emerged world powers? Keep in mind that WWII ended less than two years ago at this point.
> As you noted in an another comment, Plan Dalet was corroborated by Israeli historians. Which is false.
So there was no ethnic cleansing at all? I suppose 700k or so Palestinians just oopsied their way out of their homes and villages.
> And "war starts" is a very nice and PG way to phrase "attempted to genocide Jews".
Oh boy, not this again..
What is the difference between Jordanians and Palestinians given that the line that separates them is drown by the Brits?
> So there was no ethnic cleansing at all? I suppose 700k or so Palestinians just oopsied their way out of their homes and villages.
So they all left because Israel kicked them all out? What about the interviews and news articles from the time where Arabs themselves said that Jordan Army asked them to leave for the duration of the fights?
And you are the one talking about narratives?
Did you made this all up?
There is zero evidence that the war started because the Jews were ethnically cleansing “defenseless population”. It is enough to go to the library and read newspapers from the time where Arabs openly stated that they do no accept Jewish state for the sake of it being Jewish.
This rhetoric circles back to the self-victimization complex btw.
This women is in a trench just for fun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War#...
But they sure love to claim that they were at the cusp of elimination at various points - again, the self-victimization complex in action :)
Yeah I think that's why they were not wiped out, not that their neighbours were super good heart. They were and still are less competent.
Exactly 6 million? You counted? It's remarkable how the 6 million number has been parroted for decades prior to ww2 and after ww2. It's not 5,900,000? Or 6,000,200? Precisely 6 million?
> Step 2: Build yourself a country so no one can throw you out again.
And yet most "jews" choose to live outside of israel. Funny that.
> Step 3: Get attacked by the countries who threw you out for "reasons".
If you aren't welcomed by anyone, maybe it's time for introspection? No?
> Step 4: Get accused of "aggression".
Attacking everyone around and committing acts of genocide while playing the victim.
> People's continued downplay and revisionism of Jewish and Israeli history is truly something to behold.
The eternal victim. It's getting exhausting and boring. Maybe it's time to build another holocaust museum or the media to parade around another holocaust "survivor".
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I think actually they are in a bit of panic mode because the US might want to get out from the ME and focus on China. They want a guarantee that Iran won't be able to come on its foot again in at least 10 years. That's all my guess, though.
Maybe by starting to behave as if the Palestinian population that live on the territory they control have equal rights? Like stopping West Bank colonization projects?
On rocket attacks, Hamas was sticking relatively well to the ceasefire (again, talking about Hamas, not other groups). The blockade was tightened by Israel post-takeover, which then lead to a resumption of rocket attacks.
By launching rockets? Are you serious?
How can you argue in good faith that launching unguided rockets indiscriminately over civilian population centers as “sticking to the ceasefire”?
I think this article explains it well: https://www.richardhanania.com/p/how-trump-proved-foreign-po...
Israel claims to be threatened by its neighbors. Israel claims to want peace with countries in the region. Neighboring countries have repeatedly stated that a precondition to normalization is a just solution for Palestinians. But Israel does not want a just solution.
In other words, the problem is entirely self-inflicted. Israel wants peace, but without making any concessions on the issue of Palestine. So instead it pursues a system of “peace through violence” - just like it does in the West Bank and Gaza.
Besides, Israel has since made peace with Egypt and Jordan.
Now, back to the present day. Palestinians live under a system of occupation and blockade and recently genocide. This is not a just situation. It is also not sustainable without continued repression and use of force. There is no way that Israel will be welcomed into the wider ME under this regime.
What is this “plan”?
> Palestinians live under a system of occupation and blockade
What did the Palestinians do to not end up in this situation?
> genocide
War is not genocide. And remarks by some of the politicians are not a proof of genocide as well.
> There is no way that Israel will be welcomed into the wider ME under this regime.
Israel just need to be stronger to survive as they did in the first 20-30 years of their statehood.
As for the peace treaties:
Jordan simply did not have the ability to fight Israel any longer, or to deal with Palestinian factions operating in its territory.
Egypt wanted its land back after failing to reclaim it in 1973.
> Egypt wanted its land back after failing to reclaim it in 1973.
It seems you are aware that peace deal with Egypt is what got Sinai back to Egypt.
I have read your other comments. I am not going to engage further, for two reasons:
1. You’re a bit late to the party, and I primarily respond to engage with readers.
2. You’re clearly coming in with a closed mind.
Also, I am not sure how you can imply that you are unbiased.
Start here, and then work your way both forwards and backwards if you have any interest in learning.
Btw, linking to a wiki page does not reflect any knowledge on your part. By not engaging with your own words, it is fair to default to assuming that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I was just pointing out that you can always respond and demonstrate your brilliance to readers of the thread.
On the intelligence front, Mossad does a wonderful job performing extra-judicial killings using the dirtiest tricks you could think of. They’re also very good partners: almost every counter-intelligence outfit sings their praises.