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Re:Windows 8 Arrives by luma on Thursday October 25, 2012 @04:02PM (#4699260)
I've been running Windows 8 since they release the RTM version to TechNet subscribers on my primary laptop (about a month now).

Short version - outside of Metro it's basically Win7SP3 and it works great. Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen.

The good news is that you really don't have to interface much with Metro at all. It replaces the start menu, but it does so in a manner that works with how I'm used to dealing with the start menu already. That is, I already just hit the Win key and then start typing until the thing I want pops up, and that behavior has carried over.

So, yeah Metro is awful for all the reasons everybody has already laid out. Despite that, Win 8 has been a solid performer and I won't be loading Win7 back on this system.

My primary home system will continue to run Win7 until I am comfortable that my production applications will all run successfully (and by that, I mean "games").

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by hristov on Thursday October 25, 2012 @05:20PM (#4699635)
"Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen."

It is good to see a total usability disaster in which Linux took the lead and Windows followed. It is usually the other way around. This really bodes well for Linux on the desktop.

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by zanny on Friday October 26, 2012 @03:51AM (#4701271)
And just like how many people are running Mate and XFCE now (gtk2 based) many people will be running Windows 7 (me) for the forseeable future!
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by k-mcgrady on Thursday October 25, 2012 @04:32PM (#4699420)
>> "Short version - outside of Metro it's basically Win7SP3 and it works great. Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen."

I've been using it on a MacBook Pro and with the multi-touch trackpad metro actually works reasonably well. Obviously it would be better with a touchscreen but I am able to tap to click, use two fingers to scroll left/right/up/down and moving the mouse the the screen corners activates charms/open apps/last opened app. Maybe PC mouse makers (including MS) will come up with similar mice to make the experience better for non-touchscreen devices.

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by shardling on Thursday October 25, 2012 @04:55PM (#4699535)
MS does have the wedge mouse -- perhaps they'll update it to support the correct gestures?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/24/3265121/microsoft-wedge-to...

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by Symmetry on Thursday October 25, 2012 @04:53PM (#4699529)
Trackpoints in scroll mode are also omni-directional. But though it Just Works on Linux there are all sorts of hoops you have to jump through to get that working properly on Windows.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by joshschreuder on Thursday October 25, 2012 @06:06PM (#4699796)
I can recommend Start8 which brings the start menu back and boots straight to desktop (one of my annoyances was going straight to the Metro home screen on boot). It's $5, but worth it in my opinion: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by phreakhead on Thursday October 25, 2012 @08:47PM (#4700334)
Surely you could just edit the ol' msconfig startup items for free, right?

They still have that, right? It's been a while since I used Windows.

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by freehunter on Friday October 26, 2012 @12:32AM (#4700882)
Msconfig is in, yes, but the startup section is not. It redirects you to the startup section of the task manager, of which Metro is not an option for you to disable. Startup is simply the ability to disable services and programs that run on the desktop.

For example, mine has Java, Steam, Thinkpad Tools, Nvidia nView, Digsby, etc. Nothing Metro in there.

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by nonane on Thursday October 25, 2012 @05:25PM (#4699649)
Plug: If you're running Windows 8 Pro and have an iPad you can try out the Win 8 Metro's multitouch features using my app (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWUEAx4dqP4&hd=1). Send me an email: support at jumpdesktop.com and I'll send you a free coupon.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by alexsb92 on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:47PM (#4704202)
That looks quite amazing! Thanks!

As an aside, I've actually been meaning to learn about writing drivers for a while, especially in preparation for a uni course. So with windows 8 here and all of it's cool touch gestures, it would be even cooler. So I'm not sure if you would know this, but can you point me towards any resources for essentially simulating touches? I was thinking of building a battle Etch-a-sketch app for a school project, that would actually have two players use two etch-a-sketch systems in drawing stuff. If it was only one user, I could use the mouse pointer, but being two, I probably need touches. I hope I made myself clear enough. If it's better for you, just email me at alexsb92 [at] gmail [dot] com. Thanks.

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by nonane on Friday October 26, 2012 @07:34PM (#4704725)
I'm not exactly sure what you want to do. If you just want to handle touch input in Windows 8 then take a look at this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/xaml/hh... .

If you want to simulate touches programatically then take a look at this api: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/hh80...

Edit: I don't think you'll need to write a driver either way.

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by moconnor on Thursday October 25, 2012 @05:30PM (#4699670)
I've used Jump for the past year; it's an excellent remote desktop client.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by nonane on Thursday October 25, 2012 @05:40PM (#4699701)
Thank you! Appreciate it :-)
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by Smirnoff on Friday October 26, 2012 @03:32AM (#4701234)
I bought jump when it was only $7.99. It worked like magic and I never opened SplashTop since. For anyone reading this, this app is amazing and works both on iPad and iPhone. Since you can get it for free from the developer, then you can't lose. Definitely gonna try it when I upgrade my windows machine. So far it works great to access my mbp
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by joenathan on Thursday October 25, 2012 @05:45PM (#4699722)
Does the Android version offer the same functionality?
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by leddt on Thursday October 25, 2012 @07:49PM (#4700168)
If it does I'll be sure to buy it for my Nexus 7. Very nice way to get an idea of how well Windows 8 works on tablets!

However it seems the android app is still at version 4.0, so I guess we have to wait for an update.

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by nonane on Thursday October 25, 2012 @08:34PM (#4700295)
Right. The Android app doesn't have this functionality at the moment, but we're going to port it over soon.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by wslh on Thursday October 25, 2012 @04:51PM (#4699522)
We have an issue with Windows 8 that stopped us to installing it on some personal notebooks until sp1 cames. We installed Virtual CloneDrive from SlySoft knowing that it doesn't support Windows 8. After having a blue screen and being not able to boot the system again we tried with booting it safely and we couldn't! so we reinstalled Windows 7 there. Although it was expectable to fail, it was not expectable to not recover.

Beyond that, we were developing interception technologies to hook inside windows 8 metro applications successfully.

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by kinghajj on Thursday October 25, 2012 @05:04PM (#4699574)
CloneDrive shouldn't be needed anymore, since Windows 8 (finally) has built-in support for mounting ISO images.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by wslh on Thursday October 25, 2012 @09:18PM (#4700410)
The point of my comment was a weakness in Windows 8 beyond mountins ISOs
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by jpatte on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:18AM (#4701477)
I've been using Virtual CloneDrive on Win 8 RTM since the first day I upgraded my computers (about 2 months ago), because I had to re-install several softwares from iso's... It worked just fine, and I actually never suspected any incompatibility issues.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by e40 on Thursday October 25, 2012 @06:55PM (#4699991)
I am so glad I read this. I'm about to install win8 pro on my work 'puter and I have Virtual CloneDrive installed there! Thanks!
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by crag on Thursday October 25, 2012 @06:08PM (#4699805)
Ive been running Windows 8 on a Mac inside a VM (Fusion) for about a month.

I like Metro (but this is coming from a mec geek - so there you go). BUT I agree it will take time to get used to. But I suspect a hack will be out shortly allowing you to by pass Metro completely. I can't imagine the corporate world being happy about Metro.

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by quattrofan on Friday October 26, 2012 @03:00AM (#4701168)
The question is for those of that dont hit the win key and start typing etc, can the metro dash be completely bypassed? So can I boot to a screen that looks much like Win7?
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by ExpiredLink on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:11AM (#4701574)
> Metro is every bit the usability disaster that people have claimed when not running on a touch screen

Is there a way to switch to 'Classic Desktop'?

Re:Windows 8 Arrives by gtirloni on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:57AM (#4701647)
The classic destkop is always there a click again in the start screen.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by PommeDeTerre on Friday October 26, 2012 @10:33PM (#4705133)
That's one click too many.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by sigzero on Thursday October 25, 2012 @05:35PM (#4699689)
You do the search->run thing but average joe user is not going to be doing it that way.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by luma on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:48AM (#4701629)
Oh I totally agree. It just so happens that the new start interface works well with my existing workflow, which I think is more of a coincidence then anything else. I can't imagine what the user experience is going to be like for somebody who actually expects to navigate through a tree of folders for their applications.
Re:Windows 8 Arrives by ygra on Friday October 26, 2012 @10:22AM (#4702237)
Navigating through a tree has been deprecated for a bit already, given how prominent Search is placed in the Start Menu and how the tree is confined to a little section instead of eventually (after a dozen levels) covering the whole screen. But there probably are still those that like that way.