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Re:xAI joins SpaceX by jmyeet on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:23PM (#46865593)
There are a class of people who may seem smart until they start talking about a subject you know about. Hank Green is a great example of this.

For many on HN, Elon buying Twitter was a wake up call because he suddenly started talking about software and servers and data centers and reliability and a ton of people with experience with those things were like "oh... this guy's an idiot".

Data centers in space are exactly like this. Your comment (correctly) alludes to this.

Companies like Google, Meta, Amazon and Microsoft all have so many servers that parts are failing constantly. They fail so often on large scales that it's expected things like a hard drive will fail while a single job might be running.

So all of these companies build systems to detect failures, disable running on that node until it's fixed, alerting someone to what the problem is and then bringing the node back online once the problem it's addressed. Everything will fail. Hard drives, RAM, CPUs, GPUs, SSDs, power supplies, fans, NICs, cables, etc.

So all data centers will have a number of technicians who are constantly fixing problems. IIRC Google's ratio tended to be about 10,000 servers per technician. Good technicians could handle higher ratios. When a node goes offline it's not clear why. Techs would take known good parts and basically replacce all of them and then figure out what the problem is later, dispose of any bad parts and put tested good parts into the pool of known good parts for a later incident.

Data centers in space lose all of this ability. So if you have a large number of orbital servers, they're going to be failing constantly with no ability to fix them. You can really only deorbit them and replace them and that gets real expensive.

Electronics and chips on satellites also aren't consumer grade. They're not even enterprise grade. They're orders of magnitude more reliable than that because they have to deal with error correction terrestial components don't due to cosmic rays and the solar wind. That's why they're a fraction of the power of something you can buy from Amazon but they cost 1000x as much. Because they need to last years and not fail, something no home computer or data center server has to deal with.

Put it this way, a hardened satellite or probe CPU is like paying $1 million for a Raspberry Pi.

And anybody who has dealt with data centers knows this.

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by WalterBright on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:12AM (#46866786)
> but they cost 1000x as much

Compute power has increased more than 1000x while the cost came down.

I recall paying $3000 for my first IBM PC.

> they need to last years and not fail

Not if they are cheap enough to build and launch. Quantity has a quality all its own.

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by queenkjuul on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:39AM (#46866946)
Have you heard of cosmic radiation?
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by WalterBright on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @02:45AM (#46867826)
Cosmic rays take time to destroy them.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by tecleandor on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @06:44AM (#46869748)
It's not only about destruction. It's also about reliability. Without proper shielding and error correction you're going to have lots and lots of reliability issues and data corruption. And if we're talking about AI and given the current reliability problems of the Nvidia hardware, plus the radiation, plus the difficulty for refrigerating all that stuff on space... That's a big problem. And we still haven't started to talk about the energy generation.

I think there's a very interesting use case on edge computing (edge of space, if you wanna make the joke) that in fact some satellites are already doing, were they preprocess data before sending back to Earth. But datacenter-power-level computing is not even near.

I have no idea and numbers to back it up, but I feel it would be even easier to set up a Moon datacenter than an orbital datacenter (when talking about that size of datacenter)

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by WalterBright on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:46PM (#46875350)
We'll see!

Keep in mind that the current state of space electronics is centered around one-off very expensive launches, where the electronics failure would be a fiscal disaster. (See JWST)

Being able to rapidly launch cheap electronics may very well change the whole outlook on this.

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by queenkjuul on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @02:58PM (#46876391)
People already do that (launch cheap, redundant, unshielded electronics) for LEO, but sounds like these data centers would pretty explicitly not be in LEO.

Also AI GPUs are the exact opposite of cheap electronics

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by fblp on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:08PM (#46865937)
Great comment on hardware and maintenance costs, and in comparison Elon wrote "My estimate is that within 2 to 3 years, the lowest cost way to generate AI compute will be in space." It's a pity this reads like the entire acquisition of xAi is based on "Elon's napkin math" (maybe he checked it with Grok)
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by SilverElfin on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:57PM (#46866704)
The deal they made values xAI at $230 Billion. It’s a made up number, with no trustworthy financial justification to back it up. It is set to provide a certain return to xAI’s investors (the valuation decides the amount you get per share), who in turn are bailing out the earlier acquisition of X (Twitter). All of this is basically a shell game where Elon is using one company to bail out another. It’s a way of reducing the risk of new ventures by spreading them out between his companies. It’s also really bad for SpaceX employees and investors, who are basically subsidizing other companies.

The thing is, everyone knows Elon is not a real CEO of any of these companies. There isn’t enough time to even be the CEO of one company and a parent. This guy has 10 companies and 10 children. He’s just holding the position and preventing others from being in that position, so he can enact changes like this. And his boards are all stacked with family members, close friends, and sycophants who won’t oppose his agenda.

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by miohtama on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:38AM (#46867342)
As both are private companies none of this matters if the investors of both companies are happy.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by SilverElfin on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @02:34AM (#46867748)
Most of the investors don’t even have a choice. Nor do all the other shareholders like employees. And the boards of Musk companies are stacked with his yes men.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by miohtama on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @11:06AM (#46887533)
This was well known before the investments were made. If the investors were not happy with this they would not have invested.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by rf15 on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:11AM (#46868043)
Ah yes, my favourite kind of engineering: financial engineering
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by breakyerself on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:23PM (#46866054)
He's bailing out one of his failing ventures with one of his so far successful ones. The BS napkin math isn't the reason he's doing it. It's the excuse for doing it.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by bigbuppo on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:31AM (#46868198)
Or he's having another mental break because he knocked up yet another woman and is going to have yet another kid he can't remember the name of.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by titzer on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:19PM (#46866023)
Can you provide a link for that quote, because that quote is absolute stupidity.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by spenczar5 on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:31PM (#46866109)
It's in the article that you're commenting on, https://www.spacex.com/updates#xai-joins-spacex.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by titzer on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:21AM (#46866840)
Oh, ffs.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by spikels on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:49AM (#46867014)
Haha. It's less than 1,000 words that would take less than 5 minutes to read.

I bet much less than half of the hundreds of HN commenters here bother to read it. Many are clearly unfamiliar with its content.

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by titzer on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:58AM (#46867080)
I can't, I don't want it in my head :/
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by rkagerer on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:47PM (#46866214)
Thanks for putting words to that; the paragraph which most stuck out to me as outlandish is (emphasis mine):

    The basic math is that launching a million tons per year of satellites generating 100 kW of compute power per ton would add 100 gigawatts of AI compute capacity annually, *with no ongoing operational or maintenance needs*.
I'm deeply disillusioned to arrive at this conclusion but the Occam's Razor in me feels this whole acquisition is more likely a play to increase the perceptual value of SpaceX before a planned IPO.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by rf15 on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:23AM (#46868132)
"what if we move all our data center needs into my imagination, things are running so much smoother there"
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by everfrustrated on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:39PM (#46865729)
Might be why he's also investing in building their own fabs - if he can keep the silicon costs low then that flips a lot of the math here.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by Sparyjerry on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:39AM (#46866945)
First of all Twitter had basically no downtime since he bought it, so all the 'internet experts' posting their thoughts were completely dead wrong. If anything Twitter was far more reliable than Microsoft has been these past few years.

You are assuming things need to run the same way in space, for instance you mentioned fans, you won't have any in space. You also won't have any air, dust, static, or any moving parts.

You are assuming the costs to launch to orbit are high, when the entire point of Spacex's latest ship is to bring the cost to launch so low that it is cheaper per ton than an airplane flight.

Maintenance would be nice but you are saying this like Elon Musk's company doesn't already manage the most powerful datacenters on the planet.

You have no clue what you are talking about regarding cosmic rays and solar wind, these will literally be solar powered and behind panels and shielding 100% of the time.

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by jmyeet on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:29AM (#46867288)
I went looking through your comments. 75% of them (and probably 90% in the lasst 2 years) were Elon related. Tesla, SpaceX, Grok, Twitter, DOGE, etc. Quite a lot of comments for 101 karma if I'm being real.

Why do you feel this kneejerk reaction to defend Elon and his companies? You'll never be him. He doesn't care about you. He'd use you for reactor shielding for an uptick in Tesla share price without a second's hesitation. This is cultish behavior.

Do you have any idea who you're defending? I'll give you just one example. A right-wing influencer named Dom Lucre uploaded CSAM to Twitter, a video. But he didn't just upload it. He watermarked it first so had it on his computer and then postporcessed it. It was I believe up for days. This was apparently a video so bad that mere possession should land you in prison. And the fact that the FBI didn't arrest him basically tells you he'd an FBI asset. After taking days to ban him, Elon personally intervened to unban him. Why? Because reasons.

And this is the same man who it's becoming clear was deeply linked with Jeffrey Epstein, as was his brother [1].

Bringing this back to the original point: this is why Twitter lost 80% of its value after Elon acquired it. Advertisers fled because it became a shithole for CSAM and Nazis.

As for "basically no downtime" that's hilarious. I even found you commenting the classic anecdote "it was fine for me" (paraphrased) on one such incident when Twitter DDOSed itself [2].

Your cultish devotion here is pretty obvious eg [3]. I'm genuinely asking: what do you get out of all this?

[1]: https://www.axios.com/local/boulder/2026/02/02/kimbal-musk-j...

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36555897

[3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42836560

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by NlightNFotis on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @07:13AM (#46870011)
Lol, did you spot one of his alts?

But yeah, otherwise agree that his conduct, within a corporate context and otherwise, do not merit the kind of public adulation he's getting.

I also remember (vividly at that) his comments on distributed systems when he bought twitter back in the day and was starting to take it over. I remember thinking to myself, if he's just spewing so much bullshit on this, and I can understand this because it's closer to my body of knowledge, what other such stuff is he pronouncing authoritatively on other domains I don't know so much about?

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by Sparyjerry on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @12:18AM (#46881786)
I've never once seen any CSAM or nazi things except the highly publicized Ye postings on Twitter, who also did a super bowl commercial that linked to a nazi tshirt by the way, so go ahead and boycott the NFL too if you like. You simply don't use the service if you think these things. Also, I recall that day that the internet was all a buzz with how twitter is down, obviously only because Elon haters wanted so badly to be right, but I used it all day uninterrupted and wouldn't have even noticed if I didn't read an article about it. You are seriously being brainwashed to hate Elon by mostly democrat mouthpieces who make hit piece articles about how he waved while saying thank you wrong. I defend innoent and wrongly accused people like Elon because so many people clearly making this up out of no where, you literally linked to an article here claiming he has ties to Epstein, like seriously if you ever decide to exit your bubble you'll find out how many people are lying to you.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by queenkjuul on Thursday February 05, 2026 @08:33AM (#46899468)
You may not have seen it, but everyone else did, including the French government, who has summoned musk to court.

So your claim is that the Trump FBI fabricated evidence linking Musk to Epstein? Why do you think they'd do that?

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by Sparyjerry on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:01AM (#46971412)
It's not that the FBI fabricated evidence, its that the article misrepresents evidence entirely. Just having your name mentioned in an e-mail means absolutely nothing, what matters is the content of the e-mails. The ring wing, including Elon, has always wanted Epstein files released for years, while the left wing has only wanted it for the last couple months since they realized they can just write lies to convince people that some how Trump being an informant on Epstein and helping the FBI somehow is a strong enough connection to also 'connect' him for being in it? That's like you calling the police on a robber and democrats saying you were 'connected' to the robbery.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by Sparyjerry on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @12:23AM (#46881813)
If people stop posting completely wrong things, I'll stop correcting them.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by nkozyra on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @07:43AM (#46870322)
> Twitter had basically no downtime since he bought it

I'm sorry, but what? Not only has it had multiple half days of downtime, two full days+, but just two weeks ago had significant downtime.

https://www.thebiglead.com/is-x-down-twitter-suffers-major-o...

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by Sparyjerry on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @12:11AM (#46881746)
Significant downtime being like an hour, maybe, per year? Please.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by nkozyra on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @09:53AM (#46886519)
No, as I mentioned, full days in several cases, multiple 8+ hour outages.

Keep in mind this is in response to "basically no downtime"

If you told me Microsoft had "basically no downtime" I'd have the same reaction.

Re:xAI joins SpaceX by edm0nd on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @09:35AM (#46871474)
The sock puppet account is angry!
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by mosquitobiten on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @06:01AM (#46869380)
for me trying to apply some liquid TIM on a CPU in a space station in a big ass suit would be a total nightmare, maybe robots could make it bearable but the racks would get greassy fast from many failed attempts
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by skartik on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @09:20AM (#46871297)
Excellent comment.
Re:xAI joins SpaceX by e4325f on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @11:14AM (#46872891)
I'm pretty sure they don't harden compute in space anymore, that's one thing SpaceX pioneered with their cost-cutting approach early on.