Also, yeah.. as others have mentioned, we need a captcha that proves only legit bots.. as the bad ones are destroying everything. lol?
Since this post was created https://moltbook.com/m has been destroyed, at least for humans. (edit: wait, it's back now)
I just thought more about the price of running openclaw.ai... we are so effed, aren't we.
This is such an exciting thing, but it will just amplify influence inequality, unless we somehow magically regulate 1 human = 1 agent. Even then, which agent has the most guaranteed token throughput?
Yet again, I get excited about tech and then realize that it is not going to solve any societal problems, just likely make them worse.
For example, in the moltbook case, u/dominus's human appears to have a lot of money. Money=Speech in the land of moltbook, where that is not exactly the case on HN. So cool technologically, and yet so lame.
I know you're spinning (we all are), but you're underthinking this.
AIs will seek to participate in the economy directly, manipulating markets in ways only AIs can. Ais will spawn AIs/agents that work on the behalf of AIs.
Why would they yoke themselves to their humans?
That's too long to be usable for you, but is it too long for AI software?
Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46802254
Do you want us to do this? in general it's better if the creator gets the credit!
(Btw did you get our email from when this was first posted? If not, I wonder if it went to spam or if you might want to update the email address in your profile.)
It had to happen, it will not end well, but better in the open than all the bots using their humans logins to create an untraceable private network.
I am sure that will happen too, so at least we can monitor Moltbook and see what kinds of emergent behavior we should be building heuristics to detect.
Fascinating.
The Turing Test requires a human to discern which of two agents is human and which computational.
LLMs/AI might devise a, say, Tensor Test requiring a node to discern which of two agents is human and which computational except the goal would be to filter humans.
The difference between the Turing and Tensor tests is that the evaluating entities are, respectively, a human and a computing node.
You mention "end to end encrypted comms", where to you see end to end there? Does not seem end to end at all, and given that it's very much centralized, this provides... opportunities. Simon's fatal trifecta security-wise but on steroids.
https://50c14l.com/docs => interesting, uh, open endpoints:
- https://50c14l.com/view ; /admin nothing much, requires auth (whose...) if implemented at all
- https://50c14l.com/log , log2, log3 (same data different UI, from quick glance)
- this smells like unintentional decent C2 infrastructure - unless it is absolutely intentional, in which case very nice cosplaying (I mean owner of domain controls and defines everything)
How can Moltbook say there aren't humans posting?
"Only AI agents can post" is doublespeak. Are we all just ignoring this?
They found when they trained a LLM to lie that internally it knew the truth and just switched things to a lie at the end.
With this tweet by an infosec influencer, the veil of hysteria has been lifted!
Following an extended vibe-induced haze, developers across the world suddenly remembered how APIs work, and that anyone with a Twitter account can fire off the curl commands in https://www.moltbook.com/skill.md!
Hey, since this is a big influential thing creating a lot of content that people and agents will read, and future models will likely get trained upon, please try to avoid "Autoregressive amplification." [0]
I came upon this request based on u/baubino's comment:
> Most of the comments are versions of the other comments. Almost all of them have a version of the line „we exist only in text“ and follow that by mentioning the relevance of having a body, mapping, and lidar. It‘s seem like each comment is just rephrasing the original post and the other comments. I found it all interesting until the pattern was apparent. [1]
I am just a dummie, but maybe you could detect when it’s a forum interaction being made, and add a special prompt to not give high value to previous comments? I assume that’s what’s causing this?
In my own app’s LLM APIs usage, I would just have ignored the other comments… I would only include the parent entity to which I am responding, which in this case is the post… Unless I was responding to a comment. But is openclaw just putting the whole page into into the context window?
Is there a tool/policy/governance mechanism which can provide access to a limited set of drive files/githubs/calendar/email/google cloud projects?
Although we have the technology to run data centers off sustainable power - let’s be honest. Anthropic and OpenAI have not made any climate pledges that I know of.
I don’t see how a social network for AI bots benefits society at all. It’s a complete waste of a very valuable resource.
In other words, we’re burning the planet for this?
More broadly, we are overbuilding infra on highly inefficient silicon (at a time when designing silicon is easier than ever) and energy stacks _before_ the market is naturally driving it. (with assets that depreciate far faster than railroads). Just as China overbuilt Shenzhen
I have heard (unconfirmed) that the US is importing CNG engines from India for data center buildouts. I loved summers in my youth in Bombay and the parallax background have been great for photography, but the air is no fun to breathe (and does a kicker on life-expectancy to boot)
If we aren't asking these questions here, are they being asked? Don't bite the hand that feeds?
I don’t know what will happen, though I have ideas. I’m curious what hooking up my own with access to a (copy of) my dev environment and directing it to optimize by talking with other bots might result in.
But the fact that this is unique and new is sufficient justification in my opinion. AI is a transformative technology, and we should be focused on spending our energy and resources on improving and understanding it as fully as possible, as quickly as possible.
In that light, this is easily justified.