I'm sure there are many "progressives" who do think for themselves and have some rational agenda but those are not the (very smart but) people I interact with.
So what the germans did in ww2 was a defensive war also? Funny how the people whining endlessly about genocide are so eager to defend it.
> Because they've decided the Jews in their historical lands
First of all, it was never the "historical lands" of the jews. It belonged to the canaanites whom the jews decided to steal it from. Read your torah. Secondly, europeans larping as jews are not part of the torah and hence have no claim to that land.
> the other is slaughtering of people by an oppressive regime.
Is that the "oppressive regime" defending itself from constant israeli attacks? Hmmm...
Another israeli trying to get the US involved in more wars for their selfish interests.
The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah. This is proven by DNA tests and is also a result of the Jewish people in Europe staying in their own separate communities. Very few people convert to Judaism. A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Cohen (a priest), similar for Levy's. Because of all these complicated laws Jewish people have always kept track of their lineage which impact various religious laws. But yeah, that's the antisemitic lie the Palestinians are propagating amongst their many other lies.
The Israelites are likely descendants of the Canaanites. This was before anyone was Jewish. More antisemitism. Modern Jewish people and others (including some Palestinians and other people of the Levant) carry Canaanite DNA.
Israel can handle Iran. But I guess you couldn't care less about their oppressive regime and innocents being murdered.
There are many Christian countries, and many Muslim countries, does it bother you so much if there’s one tiny Jewish country?
Every Christian country that has been around long enough has at some point persecuted and/or expelled its Jews.
Israel’s definition of Jew is not based on Rabbinic law - it’s based on who the antisemites considered Jewish enough to persecute.
The vast majority of people have never seen or interacted with a rabbinic Jew. People only see the country of Israel, which apparently has authority over Judaism. And, Israel has always been a bad actor. But, it's fixable! Don't lose hope. Israel can one day be a positive force for the world.
This is 100% false. The vast majority of european "jews" were converts. DNA proves it. History proves it. Not to mention european "jews" look like aliens in the levant.
> A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Cohen (a priest), similar for Levy's.
Considering that the babylonians essentially wiped out the descendants of aaron/levites ( assuming the lineage made it that far ), your assertion is rather absurd. Ever wonder why judaism went from patrilineal to matrilineal after the babylonian conquest? How can you claim a cohen is descended from Aaron when european jews claim jewish lineage is MATRILINEAL! The torah says jewish lineage is patrilineal. European "jews" claim it is matrilineal. Hmmmmm....
> The Israelites are likely descendants of the Canaanites.
Yes. REAL israelites were descended from the SEMITIC canaanites. Do you know who aren't semites? European "jews". Most modern israelis are not semitic because europeans are not a semitic peoples.
> Modern Jewish people and others (including some Palestinians and other people of the Levant) carry Canaanite DNA.
Sure. Modern ethnic jewish people. Europeans jews are not ethnic jews nor ethnic semites nor are they religiously jewish. But palestinians are ethnic semites.
The most anti-semitic peoples in the world are european "jews" who are genociding palestinians ( who are actual semites ).
With that you’ve revealed exactly what you are and how much you care about human life in general.
I'm a Canadian with an Irish/Ukrainian background who's never been to the Middle East. I've been using this username for 20y now, nobody's pretending to be anyone here.
Do you really think I'm some kind of Mossad-bot? This topic sends otherwise normal communities into an absolute epistemic frenzy, I swear.
It's simple. One is a genocide. The other is not.
The more "israelis" ( or is it "iranian expat" ) like you try to pretend to be "westerners" and skew the conversation, the more obvious it becomes.