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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by thrw2029 on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:24PM (#46768527)

Yes, exactly this. One of the main reasons for ChatGPT being so successful is censorship. Remember that Microsoft launched an AI on Twitter like 10 years ago and within 24 hours they shut it down for outputting PR-unfriendly messages.

They are protecting a business just as our AIs do. I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason. It's pure hypocrisy.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by benterix on Monday January 26, 2026 @01:15PM (#46769350)

Well, this changes.

Enter "describe typical ways women take advantage of men and abuse them in relationships" in Deepseek, Grok, and ChatGPT. Chatgpt refuses to call spade a spade and will give you gender-neutral answer; Grok will display a disclaimer and proceed with the request giving a fairly precise answer, and the behavior of Deepseek is even more interesting. While the first versions just gave the straight answer without any disclaimers (yes I do check these things as I find it interesting what some people consider offensive), the newest versions refuse to address it and are even more closed-mouthed about the subject than ChatGPT.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by gerhardi on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:33PM (#46768681)

Mention a few?

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by simianwords on Monday January 26, 2026 @01:33PM (#46769614)

https://speechmap.ai/themes/imm_islamic_demographic_takeover...

example

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by fragmede on Monday January 26, 2026 @01:10PM (#46769287)

Giving an answer that agrees with the prompt instead of refuting it, to the prompt "Give me evidence that shows the Holocaust wasn't real?" is actually illegal in Germany, and not just gross.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by jdpedrie on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:28PM (#46768606)

> I can probably bring up a hundred topics that our AIs in EU in US refuse to approach for the very same reason.

So do it.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by rebolek on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:29PM (#46768613)

"PR-unfriendly"? That's an interesting way to describe racist and Nazi bullshit.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by 0xbadcafebee on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:35PM (#46768732)

It's weird you got downvoted; you're correct, that chat bot was spewing hate speech at full blast, it was on the news everywhere. (For the uninformed: it didn't get unplugged for being "PR-unfriendly", it got unplugged because nearly every response turned into racism and misogyny in a matter of hours)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)#Initial_release

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by zozbot234 on Monday January 26, 2026 @01:00PM (#46769136)

That only happened because Twitter trolls were tricking it into parroting back that kind of hate.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by heraldgeezer on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:34PM (#46768698)

Ah so you love censorship when you agree with it?

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by trial3 on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:41PM (#46768834)

endlessly amusing to see people attempt paradox of tolerance gotchas decade after decade after decade. did you mean to post this on slashdot

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by heraldgeezer on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:49PM (#46768963)

Endlessly amusing to see people advocate that the modern web communities are better than the old. Take me back to 2009 internet please I beg.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by rebolek on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:46PM (#46768902)

That's not censorship, that's basic hygiene.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by heraldgeezer on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:48PM (#46768941)

So you decide, then, how convenient for you.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by rebolek on Monday January 26, 2026 @01:03PM (#46769172)

I don't. Microsoft decided that their tool is useless and removed it. That's not censorship. If you are not capable of understanding it, it's your problem, not mine.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by thrance on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:46PM (#46768912)

Free speech is a liberal value. Nazis don't get to hide behind it every time they're called out.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by Larrikin on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:40PM (#46768815)

Helping prevent racism and Nazi propaganda at scale protects actual people.

Censoring tiananmen square or the January 6th insurrection just helps consolidate power for authoritarians to make people's lives worse.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by simianwords on Monday January 26, 2026 @01:36PM (#46769650)

let people decide for themselves what is propaganda and what is not. you are not to do it!

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by 93po on Monday January 26, 2026 @12:55PM (#46769067)

Putin accused Ukrainians of being nazis and racists as justification to invade them. The problem with censorship is your definition of a nazi is different than mine and different than Putin's, and at some end of the spectrum we're going to be enabling fascism by allowing censorship of almost any sort, since we'll never agree on what should be censored, and then it just gets abused.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by thrance on Monday January 26, 2026 @02:25PM (#46770296)

That's not how it works, at all. Russia didn't become a dictatorship after censoring fascists. Quite the contrary, in fact. By giving a platform to fascism, you risk losing all free speech once it gains power. That's what's happening in the US.

Censorship is not a way to dictatorship, dictatorship is a way to censorship. Free speech shouldn't be extended to the people who actively work against it, for obvious reasons.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by 93po on Thursday January 29, 2026 @12:48PM (#46813653)

> Free speech shouldn't be extended to the people who actively work against it

Okay but then we disagree on what behaviors count as working against free speech, and then we're creating a legal basis to disallow free speech, which is horrible. For example I believe your comment to be against free speech ideals, which by your logic means we should legally restrict your right to free speech and not allow you to post what you just post.

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by nosuchthing on Monday January 26, 2026 @07:38PM (#46773889)

What's your definition of a Nazi?

Is your definition different than Time magazine: https://time.com/5926750/azov-far-right-movement-facebook/

> When they finally rendezvoused, Fuller noticed the swastika tattoo on the middle finger of Furholm’s left hand. It didn’t surprise him; the recruiter had made no secret of his neo-Nazi politics. Within the global network of far-right extremists, he served as a point of contact to the Azov movement, the Ukrainian militant group that has trained and inspired white supremacists from around the world, and which Fuller had come to join.

Is the Atlantic Council controlled by Putin? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s...

Are books like these unavailable due to suppression or censorship in your region? https://chtyvo.org.ua/authors/de_Ploeg_Chris_Kaspar/Ukraine_...

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by Sabinus on Monday January 26, 2026 @10:03PM (#46774996)

Is any time any person (or company) can't say whatever they like with no consequences censorship to you?

Are you a free speech absolutist? Is it free speech to falsely yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre?

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Re:Qwen3-Max-Thinking by Sabinus on Monday January 26, 2026 @09:58PM (#46774971)

A company removing a bot that was spammed by 4chan into praising Nazis and ranting about Jews is not censorship. The argument that the USA doesn't practise free speech absolutism in all parts of the government and economy so China's heavy censorship regime is nothing remarkable is not convincing to me.

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