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Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by nkmnz on Friday January 09, 2026 @03:30PM (#46558922)
I'm pretty sure Cloudflare is an ISP according to German law ("Diensteanbieter" according to DDG). You might confuse "ISP" with the terminology of "Access Provider" according to the (now defunct) §8 TMG.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by cubefox on Saturday January 10, 2026 @04:48AM (#46564283)
If that were true, sci-hub.se would be blocked in Germany on 1.1.1.1 (1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com), it isn't blocked, therefore it's not true. (Modus tollens)
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by nkmnz on Saturday January 10, 2026 @11:32AM (#46567089)
Your reasoning is impeccable, bravo. But it's wrong. Both your premise and your conclusion are based on completely wrong assumptions.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by cubefox on Saturday January 10, 2026 @12:23PM (#46567730)
Not sure which premise you disagree with, but the conclusion follows from them.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by nkmnz on Saturday January 10, 2026 @12:30PM (#46567803)
I am a Service Provider ("Diensteanbieter") according to DDG and I don't block a single page, which makes your statement not only wrong, but rather so wrong that not even the complete opposite would make any sense.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by cubefox on Sunday January 11, 2026 @01:54AM (#46573276)
Not necessarily. Perhaps small service providers are exempt from blocking sci-hub.se. But Cloudflare is certainly not small.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by nkmnz on Sunday January 11, 2026 @06:28AM (#46574673)
Have you ever considered reading the law before attempting to discuss it?
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by cubefox on Sunday January 11, 2026 @10:04AM (#46576308)
You are clearly unable to cite a portion of the law which proves that Cloudflare counts as a service provider.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by nkmnz on Sunday January 11, 2026 @12:53PM (#46577838)
§ 1 Absatz 4 Nummer 5 Digitale-Dienste Gesetz: Im Sinne dieses Gesetzes ist oder sind „Diensteanbieter“ Anbieter digitaler Dienste;
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by cubefox on Sunday January 11, 2026 @01:35PM (#46578310)
That's just stating a tautology.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by nkmnz on Sunday January 11, 2026 @06:27PM (#46581638)
No, it's not. It's a very precise way to state that the law has to be applied to a very wide range of service providers. This is a fundamental change compared to the previous regulation TKG. Now take the loss and next time, read the damn manual first.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by cubefox on Monday January 12, 2026 @01:58AM (#46585041)
The quote does not decide whether Cloudflare counts as a "service provider" or not.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by nkmnz on Monday January 12, 2026 @04:04AM (#46585897)
Oh really… then let’s make it obvious:

1. Do they offer any kind of service? YES.

2. Is the service they offer of a digital nature? Also YES.

It’s never been easier.