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Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by npodbielski on Friday January 09, 2026 @12:21PM (#46556268)
"EU shadow cabal" funny considering that he then mentions running for help to US politicians.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by tick_tock_tick on Friday January 09, 2026 @03:12PM (#46558673)
You can accuse the US politicians of a lot but hiding in the shadows is probably the last thing you can say about the current USA administration.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by Hamuko on Friday January 09, 2026 @04:23PM (#46559536)
Isn't this the same government that started a secret war against Venezuela without any authorization?
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by asgeesg on Friday January 09, 2026 @07:19PM (#46561250)
No. Furthermore, that is not a shadow cabal.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by xdennis on Friday January 09, 2026 @10:20PM (#46562448)
Why do people go out of their way to criticize Trump like this?

Attacking other countries without declaring war is a staple of pretty much every US president since WW2, republican or democrat. Carter is the only one who stands out (ironically, despite the fact that he had a good cause to invade Iran).

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by Hamuko on Saturday January 10, 2026 @02:12AM (#46563529)
Sorry, which presidents did Obama and Biden kidnap again?
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by tick_tock_tick on Saturday January 10, 2026 @05:20AM (#46564447)
I mean they bombed Libya enough to get Muammar Gaddafi killed is that close enough?
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by tick_tock_tick on Saturday January 10, 2026 @05:18AM (#46564435)
Secret? You can say a lot about the USA in Venezuela but secret isn't it and of course it was authorized congress explicitly granted the president the powers to do it.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by defrost on Saturday January 10, 2026 @05:24AM (#46564465)
Hardly "authorized" when the required consultation was sidestepped:

Trump’s attack on Venezuela without alerting Congress tests limits of executive power - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/04/trump-congre...

Now that they're aware, they're belatedly and ineffectively attempting to reign him in:

Senate votes to limit Trump on Venezuela - https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/08/senate-votes-to-res...

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by Dansvidania on Friday January 09, 2026 @07:11PM (#46561192)
you mean because they get found out, not because they don't try?
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by carlosjobim on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:09PM (#46557788)
Vance is hardly operating in the shadows. He is a very public figure.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by jimnotgym on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:22PM (#46557981)
I presume that law was passed by public vote of Italian elected politicians? Not a shadow either
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by UqWBcuFx6NV4r on Friday January 09, 2026 @03:14PM (#46558705)
Yep. It sounds like “shadowy cabal” is just an emotive term for “deputised decision-makers doing something that is inconvenient for my organisation”. There’s nothing shadowy about it. It’s just not American.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by ejpir on Friday January 09, 2026 @03:32PM (#46558940)
we only see 20% of what happens in the shadow, but yah, I guess its better than 100%
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by renewiltord on Friday January 09, 2026 @12:58PM (#46556786)
If there were an EU shadow cabal who exactly would you run to help for?

When Bonasera’s daughter is assaulted and the perpetrators released, he goes to Don Corleone. That makes sense. It’s not funny or ironic that he turns to criminals to help with criminals.

You need power to counter power.

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by 9dev on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:24PM (#46558015)
What an absurd twisting of reality this is. There is no EU shadow cabal, as opposed to the very real not-so-shadowy cabal currently running the USA. Where the EU is concerned with a rule-based order, justice, and fair conditions, the US administration engages in open corruption, cronyism, and outright rule by force.

The CEO of an American company complaining about the unfair treatment in Europe is more than ridiculous.

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by 0xy on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:00PM (#46557660)
Probably because the admin has been vocal and proactive about extraterritorial overreach by European countries hellbent on global censorship programs.

The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany. Both of those countries also attempt to censor speech OUTSIDE of their own countries too.

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by klaff on Friday January 09, 2026 @03:01PM (#46558522)
>The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany.

Source?

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by 0xy on Friday January 09, 2026 @08:20PM (#46561696)
Certainly. The UK routinely and repeatedly jails people for protected speech, including speech protected by international standards. [1] [2] [3]

[1] https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom/freedom-net/...

[2] "Internet freedom declined in the United Kingdom during the coverage period due to a reported increase in criminal charges for online speech"

[3] "A separate report from The Telegraph found that 292 people had been charged for spreading false information and “threatening communications” under the Online Safety Act between when it came into effect in 2023 and February 2025. Some civil liberties groups expressed concern that the laws were being applied broadly and in some cases punished speech protected by international human rights standards (C3)."

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by youngtaff on Monday January 12, 2026 @04:44AM (#46586199)
Inciting racial hatred etc is not protected speech in the UK
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by jimnotgym on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:50PM (#46558366)
> proactive extraterritorial overreach

They are certainly very active in the subject, although judging by the last week, they are not really against it in every case

>The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media

That is just not true, is it. No matter how many times you say it

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by 0xy on Friday January 09, 2026 @08:21PM (#46561700)
https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom/freedom-net/...

"Internet freedom declined in the United Kingdom during the coverage period due to a reported increase in criminal charges for online speech"

"A separate report from The Telegraph found that 292 people had been charged for spreading false information and “threatening communications” under the Online Safety Act between when it came into effect in 2023 and February 2025. Some civil liberties groups expressed concern that the laws were being applied broadly and in some cases punished speech protected by international human rights standards (C3)."

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by jimnotgym on Saturday January 10, 2026 @06:42AM (#46564885)
292 is not thousands though, is it? Making the statement a barefaced lie.

That is before we go into the actual cases of what those people did. I'm concerned about it too, and am able to freely engage with my political representatives over it. They listen and discuss it, because we are a functioning democracy. But hyping it up and lieing about it doesn't help the discussion. Please don't do what everyone else does next and post about one specific case that on a cursory examination seems troubling, I won't be drawn into it.

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by hermanzegerman on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:17PM (#46557918)
There are no "European Global Censorship Programs".

Maybe try to get your information elsewhere than Fox News (based on the Nonsense in all your recent comments)

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by rdm_blackhole on Saturday January 10, 2026 @08:29AM (#46565583)
> There are no "European Global Censorship Programs".

Except Chat Control of course.

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by hermanzegerman on Saturday January 10, 2026 @09:13AM (#46565873)
Where does the EU want to reach beyond their borders here?
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by youngtaff on Friday January 09, 2026 @03:04PM (#46558564)
> The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media

Not true… and those that were jailed were convicted for inciting racial hatred and most of them admitted the offence

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by youngtaff on Monday January 12, 2026 @04:45AM (#46586205)
Is who ever disagreed with this capable of providing the evidence that it’s inaccurate?
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by UqWBcuFx6NV4r on Friday January 09, 2026 @03:15PM (#46558719)
This is flat-out factually inaccurate. Don’t bring this tripe here, please and thank you.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by Moldoteck on Saturday January 10, 2026 @08:28AM (#46565574)
it's even funnier considering EU's shadowy chat control adoption