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Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by h2zizzle on Saturday December 27, 2025 @04:01PM (#46405191)
Alternatives are the most effective option. Tolls just make laws the rich don't have to obey and conditions they don't have to experience. Aggregate suffering isn't lowered, just shifted to the poor.

If you want cars off the road, you tax rich people and build trains and bike lanes, and shut down cynical RTO. Full stop.

Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by simondotau on Saturday December 27, 2025 @04:37PM (#46405490)
It’s not that simple. For trains to be a complete solution you need walkable cities, and high density transport-oriented residential construction near stations.

This is almost diametrically opposite to parking-oriented cities and sprawling suburbia.

Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by LexiMax on Saturday December 27, 2025 @04:39PM (#46405502)
The best time for a city to invest in making their city walkable and public-transportation-able is decades ago. The second best time for a city to invest in making their city walkable and public-transportation-able is now.
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by hopelite on Saturday December 27, 2025 @05:31PM (#46406039)
You clearly have no idea the nature of the problem you want to solve with such erroneous platitudes. But it’s probably not even your fault you are ignorant of the reality of the matter as you advocate for squeezing harder to get blood from a stone; your statement illustrates that you are a victim of a delusion and psychological abuse that has been perpetrated upon the whole western world for more than a century now, so of course after everything you know from your very first breath promoting a delusional fantasy, you would also have that world view since it is post 1984 after all.
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by lokar on Saturday December 27, 2025 @05:55PM (#46406272)
Localities large and small have been moving towards higher density, walkable and transit oriented development for years now. It's happening, and it works.
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by LexiMax on Saturday December 27, 2025 @06:30PM (#46406600)
...Can anybody else make sense of this?

Every time I attempt to read it, halfway through my brain flips into the mode that is normally reserved for when people start telling me that Ivermectin is a COVID remedy, or something equally farcical.

Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by heavyset_go on Saturday December 27, 2025 @09:51PM (#46407927)
Your brain passed its randomly scheduled calibration test and it's working within spec
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Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by simondotau on Monday December 29, 2025 @07:25AM (#46419977)
Okay, but what do you think about transport-oriented development?
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by notaustinpowers on Saturday December 27, 2025 @07:02PM (#46406871)
I'm serious when I'm asking you if you missed your meds today. Please double check.
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Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by tomhow on Monday December 29, 2025 @04:35PM (#46426008)
The comment you're replying to is not OK and I've replied to them to convey that. But the escalation and gudelines-breaking conduct in the thread began with you and was extreme. We need you to stop this style of commenting on HN and make an effort to observe the guidelines if you want to keep participating here. You've been warned before, and after enough warnings we have to ban accounts that keep commenting like this.

Please take a moment to remind yourself of the guidelines and make an effort to follow them in future.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by tomhow on Monday December 29, 2025 @04:15PM (#46425800)
Please don't reply to bad comments with comments like this. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by maerF0x0 on Monday December 29, 2025 @01:04PM (#46423381)
Not everyone wants walkable. I'd much rather a remote first economy and cars. One of my hobbies is riding motorcycles on race tracks, I need a garage to store them, and a vehicle to tow them there. This is practically impossible in "walkable" cities.
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by h2zizzle on Tuesday December 30, 2025 @09:32AM (#46433670)
I suppose Honda doesn't make bikes for domestic purchasers.
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by maerF0x0 on Wednesday December 31, 2025 @11:58AM (#46445890)
I dont understand your comment.
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by h2zizzle on Thursday January 01, 2026 @02:02PM (#46456954)
90% of Japanese residents live in, essentially, a walkable megacity, and plenty of them ride motorcycles on the country's many tracks (which you would expect, since Japan houses several of the top motorcycle manufacturers). They don't have any issues participating in their hobby, and you wouldn't either.

Note that this holds without even having to mention that holding the ability for millions of people to be independent and mobile without needing to purchase and maintain a vehicle against a niche and expensive hobby is ridiculous. But there's no need to bring that up because we can have both.

Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by bluGill on Saturday December 27, 2025 @04:55PM (#46405678)
Suburbs are often plenty dense for great transit if you give great. Howeveriwhen transit is as bad as most get it is no wonder nobody uses it
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by mschuster91 on Saturday December 27, 2025 @05:19PM (#46405907)
> If you want cars off the road, you tax rich people and build trains and bike lanes, and shut down cynical RTO. Full stop.

The first two smell like communism, the last massively harms the rich people and their playthings (REITs - real estate investment trusts). Won't happen, not in countries where Big Money is pulling the strings (i.e. the US, Germany and UK).

Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by lovich on Saturday December 27, 2025 @05:22PM (#46405945)
If levying taxes and using those tax receipts to build infrastructure is enough to smell like communism to you, I have unfortunate news to tell you about how every single government on the planet operates
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by mschuster91 on Sunday December 28, 2025 @04:46AM (#46409809)
Should have added a /s. My point was that this is precisely what way too many people think, and this is why good things either do not happen at all or get massively impeded until they are finally done.
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by lovich on Sunday December 28, 2025 @07:20AM (#46410555)
My apologies for not picking up on the sardonic tone, and I appreciate that you don't rely on the crutch of /s to make up for others lack of reading comprehension.
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by integralid on Sunday December 28, 2025 @04:32AM (#46409722)
But UK and Germany are already heavily invested in taxing rich people, trains and bike lanes?
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by blauditore on Monday December 29, 2025 @06:08PM (#46427133)
I know many people who would always prefer their cars over trains or bikes, simply because that's what they know, and they would not leave their comfort zone unless there's something nudging/pushing them.
Re:Toll roads are spreading in America by bdangubic on Monday December 29, 2025 @06:13PM (#46427204)
my wife and I lived a block walk from a metro stop. my wife’s work was on the same metro line, also one block walk. 20 minute metro ride, at least 45 minute drive plus parking. my wife has not taken a metro once in 4.5 years.