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Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by morsch on Sunday December 21, 2025 @02:26AM (#46342951)
In Germany most traffic lights have a full set of traffic signs that are in effect in the rare occasion that the light is out.
Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by t0mas88 on Sunday December 21, 2025 @02:38AM (#46342997)
Same setup in the Netherlands, there are right of way signs everywhere that apply when the lights don't work.

One interesting effect is that there are also often pedestrian crossings that have priority over everyone. Normally those are limited by lights, but without lights a steady stream of pedestrians stops all traffic. Seen that happen in Utrecht near the train station recently, unlimited pedestrians and bikes, so traffic got completely stuck until the police showed up.

Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by anal_reactor on Sunday December 21, 2025 @03:42AM (#46343240)
Except in NL you guys actually have someone sit and think about the flow of traffic, in most other countries the design is usually pretty much random. In my parents' city in Poland they decided to turn off the traffic lights at night and the result is much higher number of accidents. Funnily, my father failed to yield the right of way exactly when talking about the issue. Yes, theoretically all intersections do have full set of signs, but in practice the visibility of those signs is extremely limited.
Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by mejutoco on Sunday December 21, 2025 @03:48AM (#46343262)
> Same setup in the Netherlands, there are right of way signs everywhere that apply when the lights don't work.

Most places in Poland have this exact setup. And I say most because I have not seen one that does not, but I am guessing they exist. Maybe some of them have bad visibility even?

If one does not respect the yield sign that does not seem a signaling problem.

Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by Ekaros on Sunday December 21, 2025 @03:53AM (#46343285)
Some don't in Finland. But then it is back to basic rule of yielding to traffic from right. Which is pretty common on smaller roads so drivers should think about it enough.
Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by anal_reactor on Sunday December 21, 2025 @04:52AM (#46343611)
> that does not seem a signaling problem.

Average signaling in Poland be like

https://files.catbox.moe/ipl96o.png

Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by namibj on Sunday December 21, 2025 @05:51PM (#46349426)
Are the words critical? As a German I read that as "you are not the priority road; you may only go left or right, but not straight"?
Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by anal_reactor on Sunday December 21, 2025 @05:58PM (#46349504)
The words sum up to "don't go straight unless you have business being there" but still, it really sums up the approach to signaling. Nobody in the whole command chain sat and thought "that might be a tiny bit difficult to parse".
Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by ncruces on Sunday December 21, 2025 @06:42PM (#46349810)
I mostly read those signs as “don't go there unless you already know you can” which as a “tourist” I just assume can't (unless I'm a local, and figure it out).

What I've recently found troubling is the places that use similar signs for emissions controls. With a rental you usually have a recent enough car that you can ignore those.

Being able to distinguish between “low emissions zone, but any car from this decade can go in” and “local traffic only, you need to live in this neighborhood to enter” in a foreign language, bit me a couple of times while traveling.

Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by KptMarchewa on Monday December 22, 2025 @07:55AM (#46353781)
I get your point, but historical centre of Warsaw is as much not average as it can be.
Re:Waymo halts service during S.F. blackout after causing tr... by ailurooo on Sunday December 21, 2025 @04:20PM (#46348607)
san francisco really really needs this.. the traffic lights were incredibly hard to see with the fog and rain..