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Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by rubyfan on Friday December 12, 2025 @10:05PM (#46251613)
We regulate medicine, nuclear technology, television, movies, monopolies, energy, financial services, etc. because these things can be harmful if left solely to the market. Americans value honest work, dignity, prosperity and equal opportunity. Innovation is useful in so far as it enables our values - regulation is not counter to Americans interests, it protects them.
Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by andsoitis on Friday December 12, 2025 @10:09PM (#46251633)
> We regulate medicine, nuclear technology, television, movies, monopolies, energy, financial services, etc.

Many of those regulations at the federal level, yes?

Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by alterom on Saturday December 13, 2025 @12:16AM (#46252209)
>Many of those regulations at the federal level, yes?

In addition to ones at state level, yes.

Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by windexh8er on Friday December 12, 2025 @11:14PM (#46251925)
Sure. And this is not that. This says: before we begin to think about our policy let's make sure to remove any barriers for Mr. Altman and friends so that they don't get sucked down with their Oracle branded boat anchor.

If this had any whiff of actually shedding light on these needed regulations the root OP wouldn't have said what they did. But for now I'm going to head over to Polymarket and see if there are any bets I can place on Trump's kids being appointed to the OpenAI board.

Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by XenophileJKO on Saturday December 13, 2025 @02:05AM (#46252666)
I feel like anyone making this argument hasn't studied how those regulations happened.

They ALL happened AFTER people got hurt. That's how we do things here. We always have.

It's kind of messed up, but the alternative is a bunch of rules on things that wouldn't be a real problem.

Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by miohtama on Saturday December 13, 2025 @03:36AM (#46253090)
The latter is called the EU.
Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by myaccountonhn on Saturday December 13, 2025 @04:34AM (#46253301)
Why?
Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by __MatrixMan__ on Saturday December 13, 2025 @10:21AM (#46255135)
Because that's what the people who made all of those rules decided to call themselves.
Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by true_religion on Saturday December 13, 2025 @06:36AM (#46253847)
Who got hurt before the US banned the export of cryptography?
Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by Cyph0n on Saturday December 13, 2025 @11:30AM (#46255748)
The CIA, probably.
Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by naasking on Saturday December 13, 2025 @01:10PM (#46256558)
Cracking Enigma was a big deal in WW2. Germany got hurt real bad.
Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by XenophileJKO on Saturday December 13, 2025 @05:34PM (#46258866)
That wasn't in the list above. We were talking primarily about consumer/market protections.
Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by true_religion on Sunday December 14, 2025 @10:39AM (#46263812)
Rubyfan mentioned nuclear technology, which like cryptography, has a broad scope and military applications so isn’t something that was just left to the market to decide the best fit.

I don’t think I’ve left the scope of this discussion.

Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by XenophileJKO on Sunday December 14, 2025 @02:09PM (#46265820)
I was more talking about the consumer radiation side. Radium water to drink, women licking and painting radium watch dials. Toy physics kits for kids with uranium in it. Uranium glass also isn't great.

I mean the radium fad just by itself was pretty crazy, people used radium suppositories and radium makeup.

Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by true_religion on Sunday December 14, 2025 @11:21PM (#46270458)
Ah I see. Thats definitely a case of regulations written in blood. I do think it strengthens the argument that we shouldn’t wait for wide spread adoption to cause problems, but rather study the issue and limit exposure until safety is at last vaguely known.

With AI, I don’t think there will be a lot of needed regulation until it gets to AI controlling physical machines like self driving cars. But in that respect, we already began regulating before problems appeared.

Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by rubyfan on Saturday December 13, 2025 @03:16PM (#46257578)
Re:Trump signs executive order seeking to ban states from re... by XenophileJKO on Saturday December 13, 2025 @05:28PM (#46258794)
I don't think you realize the level of damage it generally takes to get bipartisan support for creation of an oversight body.

It was popularized that an estimated 8,000 infant deaths attributed to swill milk occured every year in NYC in the 1850s (take with a grain of salt).

Even more recently much of the banking regulation only occured after severe market issues that broadly impacted the economy.

On a related note: "Layoffs" are going to be a hard practical harm point to rally around. Unless we fundamentally change the nature of our economy (Which doesn't tend to happen until the previous system collapses.), effeciency is king. Tha market isn't rational, but effeciency is a competitive advantage that compounds over time. So you have a prisoners dilemma here. If you want to restrict a technology that boosts efficiency, you either have to close your market and then put up rules that constrain efficiency or you bleed your prosperity.