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Re:Is it a bubble? by mcv on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @02:55PM (#46222810)
World class? Then what am I? I frequently work with Copilot and Claude Sonnet, and it can be useful, but trusting it to write code for anything moderately complicated is a bad idea. I am impressed by its ability to generate and analyse code, but its code almost never works the first time, unless it's trivial boilerplate stuff, and its analysis is wrong half the time.

It's very useful if you have the knowledge and experience to tell when it's wrong. That is the absolutely vital skill to work with these systems. In the right circumstances, they can work miracles in a very short time. But if they're wrong, they can easily waste hours or more following the wrong track.

It's fast, it's very well-read, and it's sometimes correct. That's my analysis of it.

Re:Is it a bubble? by malfist on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @03:31PM (#46223345)
Is this why AI is telling us our every idea is brilliant and great? Because their code doesn't stand up to what we can do?
Re:Is it a bubble? by AmericanOP on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @08:08PM (#46226380)
Whichever PM sold glazing as a core feature should be ejected into space.
Re:Is it a bubble? by formerly_proven on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @03:31PM (#46223340)
Copilot is easily the worst (and probably slowest) coding agent. SOTA and Copilot don't even inhabit similar planes of existence.
Re:Is it a bubble? by RobinL on Thursday December 11, 2025 @02:22AM (#46228600)
I've found Opus 4.5 in copilot to be very impressive. Better than codex CLI in my experience. I agree Copilot definitely used to be absolutely awful.
Re:Is it a bubble? by whimsicalism on Thursday December 11, 2025 @11:06AM (#46233122)
cursor is better than both, i wish this weren’t the case tbph
Re:Is it a bubble? by skydhash on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @08:09PM (#46226391)
> I frequently work with Copilot and Claude Sonnet, and it can be useful, but trusting it to write code for anything moderately complicated is a bad idea

This sentence and the rest of the post reads like an horoscope advice. Like "It can be good if you use it well, it may be bad if you don't". It's pretty much the same as saying a coin may land on head or on tail.

Re:Is it a bubble? by hatthew on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @09:39PM (#46226998)
saying "a coin may land on head or on tail" is useful when other people are saying "we will soon have coins that always land on heads"
Re:Is it a bubble? by bdangubic on Thursday December 11, 2025 @07:25AM (#46230525)
this is doable, you just have to rig the coin
Re:Is it a bubble? by RHSman2 on Thursday December 11, 2025 @10:18AM (#46232426)
Because people who can’t code but now can have zero understanding of the ‘path to production quality code’

Of course it is mind blowing for them.