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Re:Size of Life by milancurcic on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:03PM (#46220264)
Neal delivers. I recently learned that viruses are not considered living being, but I'm nevertheless happy they're included here because they're both relevant and interesting in this context.
Re:Size of Life by cainxinth on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:13PM (#46220389)
Viruses are to life as LLMs are to reasoning: they often behave like their category expects but not for the same reasons as the genuine article.
Re:Size of Life by paddleon on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:18PM (#46220465)
as a former virologist, I love the thought that LLMs are the virus of reasoning :)
Re:Size of Life by graybeardhacker on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @03:16PM (#46223126)
Once a virologist always a virologist I always say.
Re:Size of Life by seemaze on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:16PM (#46220440)
..er, a parasitic threat to life and happiness that become an endemic drag on global well being?
Re:Size of Life by tock on Thursday December 11, 2025 @01:31AM (#46228313)
Every other living organism looking at human beings: yeah.
Re:Size of Life by rssoconnor on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:25PM (#46220558)
Not that I'm qualified to reply, but I think this is debated. I seem to recall reading in "Immune" by Philipp Dettmer that there is an argument that a virus is analogous to a spore stage of life, and the virus begins "living" when it plants itself inside a cell full of "nutrients", sheds it's skin and begins consuming and replicating.
Re:Size of Life by alkyon on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:28PM (#46220612)
They do have genes and are subject to natural selection so to say the least they are a clear borderline case.
Re:Size of Life by dsego on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @03:58PM (#46223744)
I was taught in school they were something in between.
Re:Size of Life by dartharva on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:18PM (#46227256)
Hey, if they originated naturally and interact with the environment and reproduce, they are living beings. Mere human taxonomists can't just "classify" away the fact.
Re:Size of Life by margalabargala on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:30PM (#46227677)
Are crystalline structures alive?
Re:Size of Life by LtWorf on Thursday December 11, 2025 @01:58AM (#46228463)
The one that destroyed Data's planet was, I'd say.
Re:Size of Life by kruczek on Thursday December 11, 2025 @04:12AM (#46229218)
You are doing the same classification. It all depends on the definition of what a living being is.
Re:Size of Life by 4ndr3vv on Thursday December 11, 2025 @06:56AM (#46230292)
MRS GREN would like to have a word with you :)
Re:Size of Life by someNameIG on Thursday December 11, 2025 @02:18PM (#46235867)
From what I remember from undergrad the reason they're not life is that they lack their own metabolism, they use the metabolism of host cells. And metabolism needs to be a constant thing, they don't have any when outside a cell.