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Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by SoftTalker on Thursday December 04, 2025 @05:32PM (#46154085)
Figured it was experimental; no A&P who cared about his future would install a 3D printed part on a certified aircraft.
Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by jcranmer on Thursday December 04, 2025 @05:56PM (#46154349)
Actually, I think all of the jet engine manufacturers these days are using 3d printers for some of their parts? Although you usually find the press releases talking about this using the term "additive manufacturing" instead. See, e.g., this press release from 2018 about a notable jet engine manufacturer using 3d printing: https://www.geaerospace.com/news/articles/manufacturing/manu...

(Although note that these are not using plastic parts, to be clear.)

Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by Aurornis on Thursday December 04, 2025 @05:59PM (#46154398)
Manufacturers who use 3D printing use specialized 3D printers, not the same thing that hobbyists use.

They also handle all of the testing of parts to ensure they meet the design spec and they have the equipment to validate each printed part to ensure it doesn't have any major defects.

Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday December 04, 2025 @07:35PM (#46155354)
You can see the layer lines in the part. WTF? I don’t build aircraft parts. But I sure as hell wont use thermoplastics in this situation. I don’t even 3D print parts for mildly hot environments where failure is just annoyance.

Whoever built this should be charged.

Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by dghlsakjg on Thursday December 04, 2025 @08:56PM (#46155995)
> Whoever built this should be charged.

This is an uncertified experimental aircraft. At least in the US, it is up to the operator of an experimental to ensure that parts are fit for purpose.

Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by Ancapistani on Friday December 05, 2025 @03:34AM (#46158090)
I've printed and used intake manifolds for (automotive) engines in the past, without issue. Obviously that's not the same stakes as an aircraft, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to do safely.
Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by 2muchcoffeeman on Friday December 05, 2025 @09:00AM (#46161369)
I’m not necessarily saying it can’t be done. But these are plastics that fail under heat. I’d test part for non critical applications and I’m just a nobody amateur.

These guys are messing with planes and don’t test enough? Is there an explanation these people aren’t just incompetent?

Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by Ancapistani on Friday December 05, 2025 @01:28PM (#46165223)
Not that I can think of, honestly. I'd be extremely hesitant to use a part I printed on an aircraft. If I had to, I'd make very sure to test multiple copies to destruction.
Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by bombela on Saturday December 06, 2025 @07:19AM (#46172758)
> But these are plastics that fail under heat.

All materials ultimately succomb when exposed long enough at some high enough temperature.

What is the temperature range to match here?

Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by Ancapistani on Monday December 08, 2025 @12:05PM (#46194763)
> All materials ultimately succomb when exposed long enough at some high enough temperature.

I'm not a material scientist, but I don't believe that to be true. Metals don't to my knowledge; they suffer oxidation, which is allayed by the presence of oil.

If you mean plastics in particular, then PEEK would be ideal to my knowledge - it's suitable for immersion in gasoline and similar solvents, and I've used it in the past for a fuel pump mounting bracket that sits inside the fuel tank of a (gasoline) vehicle. I checked it after a year and it doesn't seem to be any worse for wear.

It's just a huge pain to print!

> What is the temperature range to match here?

I'm not sure, and likely couldn't be sure without a fair amount of research. If I had to print this for a plane, I'd want to do that and measure temperature in use and under high load and destructively test several drafts to ensure performance.

From what I've seen in this instance though, the failed part showed a Tg (glass transition temperature) of 55ºC - basically exactly that of PLA-CF. The pilot believed it was ABS-CF, which has a Tg of ~100ºC. If we assume that 100ºC was at least higher than the expected operating temperature, PEEK (Tg: 143ºC) would have given a ~50% safety margin.

Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by SoftTalker on Thursday December 04, 2025 @06:01PM (#46154421)
Yes, implicit was that it was an uncertified part 3D-printed by "someone" who sold it at an airshow. Obviously a certified part from the manufacturer is a different story.

The 3D printing isn't the actual problem, as you note.

Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by ajross on Thursday December 04, 2025 @07:06PM (#46155112)
It's note the "3D printed" aspect of the part that's driving the failure, it's that it's made out of thermoplastic. An injection molded part in this situation[1] would likely have failed in the same way.

[1] It's not clear what the source of the heat was or where this was in the motor enclosure. But yeah, one needs to be careful with structural plastic near running engines!

Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by K0balt on Thursday December 04, 2025 @08:39PM (#46155863)
Thermoplastic is the problem here. There are plenty of thermoset and other kinds of plastics that handle heat well and don’t soften with heat in normal ranges. 3d printed thermoplastics typically need to be liquid at <300 C so the glass transition usually is closer to 200 or even less. Definitely not suitable for the engine bay.
Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by shtzvhdx on Thursday December 04, 2025 @08:38PM (#46155857)
Getting it certified for flight is insanely difficult because one of the challenges of AM parts reproducibility.
Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by thijson on Friday December 05, 2025 @02:31PM (#46166156)
I think spacex uses it too, that's probably key to their engine becoming smaller and smaller over time.
Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by soursoup on Thursday December 04, 2025 @05:51PM (#46154293)
Loads of commercial aircraft and jet engine parts are manufactured using additive manufacturing, or ”3D printing”
Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by kaonwarb on Thursday December 04, 2025 @05:55PM (#46154333)
Yes… but more often something like laser-sintered metal printing, which is not going to melt when hot.
Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by trhway on Thursday December 04, 2025 @06:56PM (#46155022)
Yep, and it works even in the SpaceX Raptor engine.
Re:Plane crashed after 3D-printed part collapsed by ummonk on Friday December 05, 2025 @12:09PM (#46164114)
A 3d printed Inconel part would be fine. 3d printed plastic is something else entirely...