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Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by lateforwork on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @03:32PM (#46126441)
OpenAI has already lined up enormous long-term commitments — over $500 billion through initiatives like Stargate for U.S. data centers, $250 billion in spending on Microsoft Azure cloud services, and tens of billions on AMD’s plan to deliver 6 GW of Instinct GPUs. Meanwhile, Oracle has financed its role in Stargate with at least $18 billion in corporate bonds plus another $9.6 billion in bank loans, and analysts expect its total capital need for these AI data centers could climb toward $100 billion.

The risk is straightforward: if OpenAI falls behind or can’t generate enough revenue to support these commitments, it would struggle to honor its long-term agreements. That failure would cascade. Oracle, for example, could be left with massive liabilities and no matching revenue stream, putting pressure on its ability to service the debt it already issued.

Given the scale and systemic importance of these projects — touching energy grids, semiconductor supply chains, and national competitiveness — it’s not hard to imagine a future where government intervention becomes necessary. Even though Altman insists he won’t seek a bailout, the incentives may shift if the alternative is a multi-company failure with national-security implications.

Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by greedo on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @03:46PM (#46126601)
OpenAI doesn't have $500 billion in commitments lined up, it's promising to spend that much over 5 years... That's a helluva big difference than having $500B in revenue incoming.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by Tycho on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @05:31PM (#46127856)
Commitments here means money that people have agreed to lend them in future.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by staticman2 on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @09:51PM (#46129745)
Does it mean have agreed to lend them in a binding agreement that OpenAI can sue to enforce?
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by Tycho on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @08:26AM (#46134229)
Yes. The capital is not needed immediately, but they have agreed to provide it if/when called upon in future.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by greedo on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @09:57AM (#46135205)
This is highly unlikely. Imagine OpenAI struggling, and in year 4 of this "commitment" call upon the lenders to provide over $100B in capital. The lenders will definitely have recourse if the risk is too high. Otherwise this would simply be a commercial line of credit, or they would be investing the funds directly in OpenAI now.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by Tycho on Saturday December 06, 2025 @01:30PM (#46175467)
The contract would obviously not be no strings attached.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by __turbobrew__ on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @06:30PM (#46128363)
Data centers take time to build. The capital investment to build these DCs is needed now in expectation that future revenue streams will pay for that capital.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by greedo on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @09:55AM (#46135186)
That's not what OpenAI announced. They said initial spend would be $100B, and I'm sure until the ink is dry on each contract, that they can change their mind at any time. No business is going to be placing ironclad commitments four years out.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by maxilevi on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @03:37PM (#46126502)
most of them are non binding letters of intent, i don't think it's as trite as you put it
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by caminante on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @03:56PM (#46126766)
The government bailout part doesn't even kick in until they sink enough to need trillions of annual revenue.

Skepticism is easy.

Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by ur-whale on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @03:42PM (#46126552)
> the incentives may shift if the alternative is a multi-company failure with national-security implications.

Sounds like a golden opportunity for GOOG to step over the corpse of OpenAI and take over for cents on the dollar all of the promises the now defunct ex-leader of AI made.

Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by pphysch on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @03:36PM (#46126487)
Last week's announced Genesis Mission from the Department of Energy could be the vehicle for this bailout.

1. Government will "partner" (read: foot the bill) for these super-strategic datacenters and investments promised by OpenAI.

2. The investments are not actually sound and fail, but it's the taxpayer that suffers.

3. Mr. Altman rides off into the sunset.

Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by strtok on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @03:47PM (#46126613)
Privatize gains, socialize losses.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by BeFlatXIII on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @04:34PM (#46127174)
I'm hoping for Congressional gridlock to save us from bailing out a cascading failure. The harder it hits, the better.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by ijidak on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @05:06PM (#46127590)
Isn't the NVIDIA-TSMC duopoly the problem here?

The cost of these data centers and ongoing inference is mostly the outrageous cost of GPUs, no?

I don't understand why the entire industry isn't looking to diversify the GPU constraint so that the hardware makers drop prices.

Why no industry initiative to break NVIDIA's strangehold and next TSMC's?

Or are GPUs a small line item in the outrageous spend companies like OpenAI are committing to?

Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by layer8 on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @07:12PM (#46128706)
Because it would take many years, and Google is using its own TPUs anyway.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by scrollop on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @05:11PM (#46127643)
This is all based on the LLM architecture that likely can't reach AGI.

If they aren't developing in parallel an alternative architecture than can reach AGI, when a/some companies develop such a new model, OpenAI are toast and all those juicy contracts are kaput.

Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by techblueberry on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @05:51PM (#46128047)
"Even though Altman insists he won’t seek a bailout"

No matter what Sam Altman's future plans are, the success of those future plans is entirely dependent on him communicating now that there is a 0% chance those future plans will include a bailout.

Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by PantaloonFlames on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @11:21PM (#46130267)
At first I read “enormous longterm commitments” as customers committing to OpenAI. But you are saying it’s the reverse.
Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by sholain on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @01:46AM (#46130959)
"it would struggle to honor its long-term agreements. That failure would cascade. Oracle, for example, could be left with massive liabilities and no matching revenue stream,"

No, there's a not of noise about this but these are just 'statements of intent'.

Oracle very intimately understands OpenAI's ability to pay.

They're not banking $50B in chips and then waking up naively one morning to find out OpenAI has no funding.

What will 'cascade' is maybe some sentiment, or analysts expectations etc.

Some of it, yes, will be a problem - but at this point, the data centre buildout is not an OpenAI driven bet - it's a horizontal be across tech.

There's not that much risk in OpenAI not raising enough to expand as much as it wants.

Frankly - a CAPEX slowdown will hit US GDP growth and freak people out more than anything.

Re:OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race by tootie on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:15AM (#46135430)
What about OpenAI would rate a bailout? There's too much competition. If they ever do end up in a deep hole and plead for a rescue, I would imagine that gov will just force a sale of assets. Surely Google, MS and Amazon can make use of their infrastructure in exchange for taking on some portion of their debts.