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Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by throw310822 on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @11:51AM (#46123257)
This is the article's second sentence:

"Thiel’s lurid, apocalyptic view of world politics may be ludicrous or even deranged, but his wealth and power mean that we can’t afford to ignore it."

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by epgui on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:00PM (#46123385)
Presumably the commenter read the article and is expressing his disagreement with the article’s second sentence.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by bigbadfeline on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @01:23PM (#46124480)
> Presumably the commenter read the article and is expressing his disagreement with the article’s second sentence.

The comment in question didn't make a point, it provided only this unsupported opinion that happens to be flatly wrong: "It's a very different thing to have concentrated wealth and people's attention."

In fact, good buddies Thiel and Musk came from S Africa sharing similar librarian attitudes and both worked hard at circumventing the banking regulations while being part of the "PayPal mafia". They are both very keen on remodeling the government around the libertarian idea of uncountable corporate power.

“They went from scrappy guys dodging government regulation to now they are the government, in a generation” said Steve Blank... an adjunct professor of management science [1]

That cannot be done without using concentrated wealth to conquer people's attention. Sure enough, Musk proceeded to acquire Twitter at a great cost and to proclaim his idea of corporate control of speech through control of attention reach: "Freedom of speech is not freedom of reach" [2]

[1] https://www.seattletimes.com/business/how-musk-thiel-and-sac...

[2] https://www.chiefmarketer.com/twitters-musk-touts-new-freedo...

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by esseph on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @04:35PM (#46127185)
Librarians, what will they do next?!? (Typo ;)
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by bigbadfeline on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @10:57PM (#46130149)
yes, typo, should read "libertarians"

Thanks

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by fastball on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @11:54AM (#46123294)
Power might be hard to ignore, but wealth you literally just can.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by SimianSci on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:08PM (#46123498)
Wealth is allowing people to buy consent for their worldviews these days. this is an incredibly naiive take.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by IncreasePosts on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:26PM (#46123778)
How does one buy consent for a worldview? Buying and selling require two parties - the party who is selling their viewpoint to the highest bidder isn't blameless.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by relaxing on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:46PM (#46124039)
Traditionally, through personal networks in media and industry — placing talking heads and op-ed’s and editorial direction to repeat your message.

More recently, purchasing a social network and then flooding it with your worldview.

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by lenkite on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:32PM (#46123858)
The party who accepts the bid generally wins the election.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by strictlymomo on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @02:42PM (#46125769)
When you say “these days,” you mean the past 10,000 years, right?

Power based on consent likely existed throughout the Holocene: “Big men” with their gift-giving and elaborate feasts, chiefdoms comprised of aristocratic lineages… the gameplan has always been to collect favors by promising future returns, religious blessings, and the like. You can see the parallels to present-day VC. These pre-historic admin dudes emerged alongside the steepening wealth inequality gradients and population growths of agrarian societies.

Comforting to know their influence is limited and precarious, as the social following can always fragment. This is what anthropologists call segmentary structures. More interesting, if severely depressing, is the theory that power based on consent is arguably the precondition for scaling social cohesion beyond kin and villages to cities and civilizations, thereby serving as the foundation for more durable power structures.

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by fastball on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @09:53PM (#46129768)
If you have bought consent, you have power.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by BugsJustFindMe on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:18PM (#46123649)
It's weird to not understand that wealth buys power.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by dpark on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:06PM (#46123478)
It’s naive to believe these are not connected. Wealth buys power.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by palmotea on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:55PM (#46124144)
> It’s naive to believe these are not connected. Wealth buys power.

Raw power > wealth (see Putin, Vladimir: he doesn't need wealth or even to "own" anything, his raw power gets him everything wealth can buy and more). But for weaker people who aren't so powerful to control the system itself, wealth can get you a lot of power within that system.

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by fastball on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @09:52PM (#46129750)
They are not intrinsically connected. Not everyone who is wealthy is powerful, not everyone who is powerful is wealthy.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by flag_fagger on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:09PM (#46123519)
They’re roughly proxies for each other. But I think land is a much more fundamental source of power. Makes sense that a lot of these types have started to invest in defense fortresses and opine about building new cities.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by forgetfreeman on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:12PM (#46123559)
That's a dangerously myopic take in a political landscape where money == speech and speech == influence.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by subw00f on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:05PM (#46123457)
Wealth is power
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by fastball on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @09:53PM (#46129762)
Then surely GC would've only needed to say "power"?
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by b00ty4breakfast on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:07PM (#46123489)
"lemme just jump in this swimming pool while ignoring the water"
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by lenkite on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:31PM (#46123848)
How does a politician or his opponent ignore millions of dollars donated to political campaigns ?
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by nanfinitum on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:01PM (#46123397)
Yes we can actually.

I think it has something to do with Silicon Valley's obsession with money. To SV-people, billionaires are like gods. They are worshipped and invited to all the events worth going to (meetups, hackathons, etc.). Everyone wants to be like them.

And it seems to me to be a geographical problem too. In NYC, billionaires are like supervillains. Nobody particularly likes them (outside of select finance bros), and people openly express disdain for them and their greed.

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by varenc on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:07PM (#46123490)
You can ignore him, but you'd be ignoring a person with very real power and influence. If you want a hint of how he's going to use his influence, understanding his worldview would be helpful.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by entropicdrifter on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:11PM (#46123547)
It's also a governmental problem. Remember that Vance is functionally owned by Thiel, who also backed Trump's campaign.

So, the issue is really just that he has far too much power, as an individual

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by dpark on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:12PM (#46123566)
> In NYC, billionaires are like supervillains.

This is absurd to the point of being cartoonish. No one treats billionaires like supervillains. How many billionaires are in supermax prisons right now in New York?

> Nobody particularly likes them

This is not relevant, regardless of whether it’s true. A ton of people hate Thiel and Trump. Disliking a billionaire doesn’t take away their power.

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by baseballdork on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:37PM (#46123930)
> This is absurd to the point of being cartoonish. No one treats billionaires like supervillains. How many billionaires are in supermax prisons right now in New York?

"Supervillains" are comic book entities who are rarely in prison

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by dpark on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @01:09PM (#46124317)
Because they escape or cannot be captured. Not because there’s no will to lock them up.

But this is really not my point. Billionaires == Supervillains is not a commonly held view outside some echo chambers.

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by smegger001 on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @01:48PM (#46124898)
I dont know "billionaire realestate mogul and serial criminal gets elected president" is the quick bio of both Lex Luthor and Donald Trump. Larry Elision buying up Hawaiian islands sure looks like a Bond Villian if you squint a little.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by dpark on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @01:59PM (#46125082)
Being a billionaire seems to be a prerequisite for being a modern supervillain but most billionaires probably don’t qualify. There are 125 billionaires living in New York City alone.

Batman is a billionaire too in comic lore.

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by nancyminusone on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:38PM (#46123937)
In cartoons, supervillains are rarely in prison either, even though that's where they belong.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by lowkey_ on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:42PM (#46123983)
> In NYC, billionaires are like supervillains. Nobody particularly likes them (outside of select finance bros), and people openly express disdain for them and their greed.

I think you may be confusing 'power' or 'impact' with wealth in this take.

Paul Graham wrote about this in a blog post [1].

In NYC, being rich is cool, even if you just inherited it all. Having lived 12 years in NYC, I agree wholeheartedly. It's what everyone aspires to have; the Tribeca loft and the Patek watch.

In SF, PG wrote that nobody cares that you inherited a bunch of wealth unless they're a real estate agent. I think this is true — flashy wealth isn't impressive in SV/SF. Impact and power and the scope of what you've built and created is what's impressive, for better or worse. (I just moved to SF for this reason).

[1] https://paulgraham.com/cities.html

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by pmdulaney on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @02:41PM (#46125754)
It's getting harder and harder to even hazard a guess as to why a comment on HN gets downvoted. Is Paul Graham becoming persona non grata? Is that it?
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by UncleMeat on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:01AM (#46135273)
It is because it is incorrect.
Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by ryandrake on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @01:35PM (#46124686)
> I think it has something to do with Silicon Valley's obsession with money. To SV-people, billionaires are like gods.

Just look at some of the comment threads here. So many replies essentially White-Knighting for a billionaire! Why does one take time out of their day to post an impassioned defense of this guy? He doesn't need your help. Do y'all think he's going to Venmo you $100 every time you defend his honor online?

Same thing for Musk. Say one thing bad about him, and the Musk Defense League reliably crawls out of the woodwork to passionately argue for him and downvote criticism. What's the point?

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by red-iron-pine on Wednesday December 03, 2025 @10:35AM (#46135688)
NYC has a long history of the wealthy screwing people over. The fuck-you-pay-me has been a thing since NYC literally traded slaves.

California is/was New Money and comes with optimism and change and progress and was able to keep up the façade until fairly recently. Now the FAANG world is richer than god and has no reasons to even try to maintain illusions

Re:Peter Thiel's Apocalyptic Worldview Is a Dangerous Fantasy by palmotea on Tuesday December 02, 2025 @12:50PM (#46124082)
This exactly. There are different kind of attention. We shouldn't pay attention to the billionaires in a submissive follower mode; or in a "let them set the agenda" mode; but in a wary, defensive mode (ready to oppose or try to get out of the way).