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Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by deadbabe on Friday November 28, 2025 @10:43AM (#46079594)
Not really.

Any fool could have anticipated the eventual result of transformer architecture if pursued to its maximum viable form.

What is impressive is the massive scale of data collection and compute resources rolled out, and the amount of money pouring into all this.

But 10 years ago, spammers were building simple little bots with markov chains to evade filters because their outputs sounded plausibly human enough. Not hard to see how a more advanced version of that could produce more useful outputs.

Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by Workaccount2 on Friday November 28, 2025 @10:51AM (#46079691)
Any fool could have seen self driving cars coming in 2022. But that didn't happen. And still hasn't happened. But if it did happen, it would be easy to say

"Any fool could have seen this coming in 2012 if they were paying attention to vision model improvements"

Hindsight is 20/20.

Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by lisbbb on Friday November 28, 2025 @11:17AM (#46079952)
Everyone who lives in the show belt understands that unless a self driving car can navigate icy, snow-covered roads better than humans can, it's a non-starter. And the car can't just "pull over because it's too dangerous" that doesn't work at all.
Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by phil21 on Friday November 28, 2025 @02:00PM (#46081659)
That works fine. Self driving doesn’t need to be everything for all conditions everywhere.

Give me reliable and safe self driving for Interstate highways in moderate to good weather conditions and I would be very happy. Get better incrementally from there.

I live solidly in the snow belt.

Autopilot for planes works in this manner too. Theoretically a modern airliner could autofly takeoff to landing entirely autonomously at this point, but they do not. They decrease pilot workload.

If you want the full robotaxi panacea everywhere at all times in all conditions? Sure. None of us are likely to see that in our lifetime.

Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by fragmede on Friday November 28, 2025 @02:18PM (#46081833)
Btw that’s basically already here with http://comma.ai.
Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by deadbabe on Friday November 28, 2025 @03:45PM (#46082620)
We definitely have self driving cars, people just want to move the goal posts constantly.
Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by enahs19 on Friday November 28, 2025 @06:54PM (#46083924)
We do not. We have much better cruise control and some rudimentary geofenced autonomy. In our lifetimes, neither you nor I will be able to drive in a car that, based on deep learning training on a corpus of real world generated data, goes wherever we want it to whenever we want it to, autonomously.
Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by CamperBob2 on Saturday November 29, 2025 @12:27AM (#46085361)
This works now. We just don't dare let it. Self-driving cars are a political problem, not (just) a technical one.
Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by deadbabe on Saturday November 29, 2025 @10:41AM (#46088357)
Posting this from the backseat of a Waymo driving me from point A to B on its own.
Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by ben_w on Sunday November 30, 2025 @06:25AM (#46095763)
They said "goes wherever we want it to whenever we want it to", Waymo is geofenced unless I missed some big news.

(That said, I disagree with them saying "In our lifetimes, neither you nor I", that's much too strong a claim)

Re:A trillion dollars (potentially) wasted on gen-AI by free_bip on Friday November 28, 2025 @10:47AM (#46079648)
I guess I'm worse than a fool then, because I thought it was totally impossible 10 years ago.