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Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @06:02AM (#46003311)
I love bees and ants, but I love bees the most. I would recommend people to study the behavior of bees and ants. Additionally, honey, propolis, etc. are super healthy, and we can thank bees for that.
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by baxtr on Friday November 21, 2025 @06:16AM (#46003400)
Not that I want to curb your enthusiasm for bees, but…

I recently read that honey bees in particular get the most attention from humans lately, so they are kept in high numbers.

This has some adversarial effect on other pollinators, which hurts ecosystems more than it helps.

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @06:41AM (#46003567)
Why would what you said curb my enthusiasm for bees though?

Can you provide me more specifics on this by the way?

> This has some adversarial effect on other pollinators, which hurts ecosystems more than it helps.

What are those adversarial effects, what other pollinators, and how does it hurt the ecosystem more than it helps?

I do not mind bees having kept in higher numbers, and beekeepers can do it anywhere without affecting the ecosystem, I believe.

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by baxtr on Friday November 21, 2025 @06:49AM (#46003615)
I am no expert at all in this topic! So please take this with a grain of salt. I just have the feeling (maybe wrongly) that the love and focus for bees is having detrimental/ unwanted effects on the ecosystem.

Here some more articles / discussions:

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44505552

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44792207

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35668879

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @07:06AM (#46003739)
My love for bees is more about their behavior (similar to how I find ants fascinating), and their "products" that is honey, propolis, beeswax, and so on. I am simply fascinated by their behaviors, and propolis is very healthy!
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by 867-5309 on Friday November 21, 2025 @07:49AM (#46003999)
that read like "source please" then "sauce is yummy"
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @07:58AM (#46004059)
I am not sure what you are trying to imply.

If you are referring to what I asked: "What are those adversarial effects, what other pollinators, and how does it hurt the ecosystem more than it helps?", then all I have to say about it is that I am just genuinely curious.

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by fullstop on Friday November 21, 2025 @08:18AM (#46004246)
I have always been enamored with "social" insects like bees, wasps, and ants. I _loved_ SimAnt as a child.

It also blows my mind that I utterly balk at eating insects but bee vomit is totally cool.

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @12:44PM (#46006759)
Oh my, I just looked for a screenshot of SimAnt. I remember this game, too! I have played it for some time, too. :)
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by fullstop on Friday November 21, 2025 @01:20PM (#46007140)
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @01:36PM (#46007387)
Oh cool! I am doing the tutorial and it told me to click on "MAP" which I did, and then nothing happened. :( Any ideas?
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by fullstop on Friday November 21, 2025 @01:46PM (#46007515)
Did it say to click on map or Window menu -> map?

https://i.imgur.com/LbCx8jQ.png

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @01:58PM (#46007644)
Window menu -> MAP, so I assumed it was "MAP". Where is the "Window menu" exactly?
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by fullstop on Friday November 21, 2025 @02:07PM (#46007741)
It's at the top of the game window: https://i.imgur.com/xqh2rrY.png
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @02:20PM (#46007875)
Oh, that! Thank you!
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by bavell on Saturday November 22, 2025 @12:31PM (#46016471)
SimAnt and SimEarth were my faves as a kid!
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by bijant on Friday November 21, 2025 @09:13AM (#46004802)
Why won’t you let „the ecosystem“ decide that on its own ? It’s much older than you and you are not its lega guardian. If the ecosystem (of which we are a part) decides it wants more honey bees than that’s what it shall get.
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by soiltype on Friday November 21, 2025 @11:14AM (#46005827)
The same reason you bandage a stab wound instead of letting the body decide what it wants.

It doesn't want anything or have the ability to choose its responses to changes. Which is exactly why we are the legal guardians of natural ecosystems, by the way - have you not heard of lands and waters protected from certain human activities? The fact that we don't currently stop ourselves from propogating honeybees into ecosystems that can't fit them is not an indication of anything except our failures.

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by snthd on Friday November 21, 2025 @09:47AM (#46005084)
The idea that ecosystems naturally balance themselves is a pervasive myth.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/balan...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_nature

>It’s much older than you and you are not its legal guardian.

A fair few cultures believe they are. NZ recognises the Whanganui River as having legal personhood.

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by pinnochio on Friday November 21, 2025 @10:44AM (#46005554)
If we're a part of the ecosystem, then deciding to be honey bees' legal guardian _is_ the ecosystem deciding that on its own, no?
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by baxtr on Friday November 21, 2025 @05:00PM (#46009480)
Yes exactly, doing nothing or doing something is the same.

We are part of the ecosystem. So any discussion we’re having is also part of being and operating in the ecosystem…

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by baxtr on Friday November 21, 2025 @04:58PM (#46009465)
I guess it’s a fair point.

But then again, since as you argue (rightfully so!) that I’m also part of the ecosystem: me caring and expressing doubts is actually working as the ecosystem.

That’s how I’m being (virtually) a part of it.

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by filoeleven on Friday November 21, 2025 @01:34PM (#46007354)
European honeybees do not behave the same way as their native solitary counterparts. They gather honey by visiting every flower on a plant, then moving to the next plant. Native bees OTOH visit only one or two flowers per plant. So if imported honeybees outcompete natives (and studies show they do), it very much affects the viability of monoecious plants, which experience a drop in genetic diversity. I don't want to find out the long-term results of that experiment.

I don't think that's a reason to eradicate honeybees in the US or anything like that, but it does point to a misplaced focus on "just" solving colony collapse disorder while ignoring the plight of the native pollinators.

If you don't keep bees, or if you do but have a large enough property, you could put up a bee hotel. They can be bought or constructed pretty easily, and you'll get to see a wide variety of who's around your area!

https://bugguide.net/node/view/475348

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by bijant on Friday November 21, 2025 @09:11AM (#46004782)
I‘d give it a chance. After all it can’t be any worse than Seinfeld for Bees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee_Movie
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by gibspaulding on Friday November 21, 2025 @11:14AM (#46005826)
There’s something like four thousand species of bees native to North America [1], so while there are lots of reasons to be unenthusiastic about honey bees [2], that still leaves lots of room for bee related enthusiasm :)

[1] https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-role-native-bees-united-state...

[2] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-...

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by rootbear on Friday November 21, 2025 @09:52AM (#46005127)
Agreed! Bees are my favorite social insect (we share a love of hexagons, for one thing) and they seem to be especially intelligent.
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by jbnorth on Friday November 21, 2025 @11:11AM (#46005803)
The hexagon is the best-agon
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by hackable_sand on Friday November 21, 2025 @05:32PM (#46009811)
This thread is awesome.

I had a miniature war with some wasps staking a claim on my porch

Let me say, wasps are incredibly endurant creatures. I have much respect for them.

Their architecture though... I have the remnants of their enclave. It is so stable and uniform and cozy.

I wish wasps were friends.

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @11:04AM (#46005739)
I love hexagons too!
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by SoftTalker on Friday November 21, 2025 @11:17AM (#46005844)
Yellowjackets can go to hell though.
Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by johnisgood on Friday November 21, 2025 @12:27PM (#46006581)
Well, kind of. :D Wasps do not produce honey, they just collect nectar and sugary substances for immediate consumption, and propolis is specifically a bee product made from tree resins.

That said, wasps are still quite intelligent for insects with regarding to spatial memory, individual recognition, learning, problem-solving, and social cognition. In fact, their intelligence is comparable to honeybees in many respects.

Contrary to popular belief, wasps are not mindless aggressors, their defensive behavior is calculated based on threat assessment. :)

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by cj on Friday November 21, 2025 @03:01PM (#46008320)
> wasps are not mindless aggressors, their defensive behavior is calculated based on threat assessment.

Can confirm.

I had a yellow jacket infestation in my kitchen wall this fall. Every day I'd wake up to dozens of bees flying around my kitchen. But they didn't care about me, all they cared about was getting outside.

I probably killed 200-300 yellow jackets with a fly swatter over the course of 2 weeks. Somehow I wasn't stung once.

Re:Scientists now know that bees can process time, a first i... by laxd on Friday November 21, 2025 @04:10PM (#46009025)
Them getting stuck inside your clothes and panicking is THE way to get stung in my experience.