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Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by sanex on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @06:36PM (#45986823)
I've been saying we need a separate Internet for kids. Not just because of pedos, but because young adults don't have the same level of respect and filters that one should have when dealing with kids and it's exposing them to behavior they shouldn't. This is a great step.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @06:54PM (#45986976)
> we need a separate Internet for kids

Good start. But this still leaves them at the mercy of these tech companies.

Kids—especially pre-teens—should not have social media. There is just way too much evidence that this has harmed and is harming an increasingly class-segregated generation.

Gas stations are careful about selling cigarettes to kids. We need these developers to have even a shadow of that concern.

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by bilegeek on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @07:10PM (#45987090)
Problem is some kids don't have alternatives to online. Just recently on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45945114

Not saying you're wrong, but it's more complicated than you think in many cases. The rot goes deep into society as a whole, which tech corpos then exploit.

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday November 20, 2025 @06:31PM (#45999373)
> some kids don't have alternatives to online

A phenomenon that's facilitated by their access to screens. (There is a horrifying class divide emerging in the West in the 1:1 relationship between kids' screen time and the parents' wealth.)

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by Aloisius on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @07:33PM (#45987263)
Today: Social media is harming our kids, ban it!

30 years ago: Video games are harming our kids, ban it!

60 years ago: Rock and roll is harming our kids, ban it!

There is little evidence to support social media causes harm. Even correlations are weak. As a large study on the subject put it, the association of well-being with regularly eating potatoes was nearly as negative as the association with [social media] use.

This looks like yet another moral panic.

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by rgregg on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @08:16PM (#45987581)
I mean.. you do you, but the data seems pretty clear. Social media use among children significantly impacts mental health in a negative way, in well designed study after study. There's a good summary out of the HHS (at least until they take it down): https://www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/reports-and-publications/...

You have any pointers to well designed studies that show it's as innocent as a video game or rock and roll?

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by Aloisius on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @08:50PM (#45987845)
That Surgeon General's Advisory also warns against video games.

As did the Surgeon General in 1980 who warned kids were addicted to video games body and soul.

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by crummy on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @08:59PM (#45987914)
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by squigz on Thursday November 20, 2025 @01:49AM (#45989695)
> The types of use and content children and adolescents are exposed to pose mental health concerns. Children and adolescents who spend more than 3 hours a day on social media face double the risk of mental health problems including experiencing symptoms of depression and anxiety.3 This is concerning as a recent survey showed that teenagers spend an average of 3.5 hours a day on social media.4 And when asked about the impact of social media on their body image, 46% of adolescents aged 13-17 said social media makes them feel worse.5

Are those kids spending more than 3 hours a day already suffering from depression/anxiety? What would those adolescents say about the impact of their classmates/school on their body image?

> We have gaps in our full understanding of the mental health impacts posed by social media but at this point cannot conclude it is sufficiently safe for children and adolescents. We must better understand the answers to key questions, such as, which types of content are most harmful and what factors can protect young people from the negative effects of social media.

This seems to recognize a lot more nuance than "the data seems pretty clear"

(To say nothing of what even "social media" is. Is HN social media?)

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by hollerith on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @07:52PM (#45987388)
>the association of well-being with regularly eating potatoes was nearly as negative as the association with [social media] use.

Maybe regularly eating potatoes is a lot worse for a person that most of us currently realize. (They do have an extremely high glycemic index and high levels of oxalic acid.)

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by Aloisius on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @08:06PM (#45987499)
Potatoes are harming the kids, ban it?

Seriously though, the correlation is just weak - far to weak to actually draw conclusions from let alone ban it.

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by josephg on Thursday November 20, 2025 @02:10PM (#45996410)
Australia and Denmark are on track to ban social media for kids. I hope scientists are watching - it’ll be fascinating to get some actual data on what happens.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by loloquwowndueo on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @07:46PM (#45987353)
Dude no, sorry, those things have nothing on Roblox, it’s the most toxic damaging thing ever.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by anonnon on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @09:51PM (#45988306)
30 years ago: leaded gasoline and lead-containing paint is harming our kids.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by blitzar on Thursday November 20, 2025 @02:07AM (#45989806)
today: kids should be out doing drugs and having sex, not sitting on social media all day
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by mmmlinux on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:39AM (#45994567)
some low birthrate countries are basically saying that already...
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by rjdj377dhabsn on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @07:39PM (#45987300)
No, we don't. You need to teach your kids the skills to deal with the realities of the modern world before giving them unrestricted access to the internet.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by sanex on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:43AM (#45994625)
Yeah let me explain racism and all the swearing from these degenerates who can't behave themselves around children.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by rjdj377dhabsn on Thursday November 20, 2025 @09:04PM (#46000404)
Sure, why not?

The alternative is for your children to learn about these things on their own, which isn't that bad either. Most kids turn out just fine that way.

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by kachapopopow on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @06:46PM (#45986912)
while yes, they probably should, however, it wouldn't protect them from pedos.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by Natsu on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @07:12PM (#45987106)
We had AOL back in the day, but...
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by samename on Thursday November 20, 2025 @12:15AM (#45989221)
I agree that separating kids from adults is an improvement, but I disagree this is a "great step" due to the mechanism. Using a child's biometrics is a horrible step. Why can't this just be done with parental controls? We should not normalize games collecting biometrics on children. I don't expect them to keep the data safe or to not abuse the data.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by sanex on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:54AM (#45994739)
Yeah parental controls is probably the optimal solution. Biometrics makes me uncomfortable as well. They say they're deleting it immediately but do you trust them? I know better than to trust in anything being deleted.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by samename on Sunday November 23, 2025 @03:19AM (#46021729)
They only claim to delete the picture an video, so I don’t the biometric will be deleted since it’s not mentioned
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by Hizonner on Thursday November 20, 2025 @09:40AM (#45993008)
> I've been saying we need a separate Internet for kids.

That is moronic. And destructive.

Children are human beings, and are supposed to get a chance to grow naturally into being community members. That is an incremental process. Not everybody does all the parts in the same order, nor at the same rate. And you don't suddenly snap from being a "child" into being an "adult", and reboot all your human connections in that moment.

You don't mature at all without interacting with some adult role models (not just seeing them from afar, and not just seeing the parts people want to show you). No, your parents are not enough. You also need to interact with slightly older, and substantially older, non-adults. The tight age cohort isolation produced by schools is already destructive enough to social development.

Children are also entitled to have access to information and activities, just like everybody else. And, no, not all of that would somehow get duplicated into your child ghetto.

And it means absolutely nothing that people "used to do that just fine without the Internet". That was before everything was done via the Internet.

> Not just because of pedos, but because young adults don't have the same level of respect and filters that one should have when dealing with kids and it's exposing them to behavior they shouldn't.

Get a fucking grip. Kids can handle knowing about behavior you don't like. They can handle knowing about really bad behavior. They can handle seeing what older people do,and what the consequences are. In fact, that is essential to the development of their own values and capacity for self-governance.

If you raise somebody in a box until the age of 18, don't be surprised if they can't deal with the outside world when you force them out of it.

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by sanex on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:47AM (#45994660)
Lol you think your average internet gamer is a ROLE MODEL. My god what a joke. I've never heard worse things in my life than in a call of duty lobby and we don't need children exposed to that level of hatred when they're still innocent.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by Hizonner on Thursday November 20, 2025 @03:58PM (#45997628)
Why do you hang out there then? And why is it the first thing you think of when you think about a giant worldwide information network?

I try not to think of everybody who plays video games as an arrested adolescent in Mom's basement, but it's kind of hard. Especially with the "Lol" stuff.

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by engineer_22 on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:57AM (#45994776)
I'll put this politely as I can: your opinion is unsettling. You seem to consciensciously ignore the vulnerability of young children. To the contrary you advocate for the violation of their innocence. For the love of all that is good I hope your opinion remains a lonely minority.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by sanex on Thursday November 20, 2025 @02:19PM (#45996499)
I am going to assume it's the ignorance of a twenty something who is far away from becoming a parent.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by Hizonner on Thursday November 20, 2025 @03:49PM (#45997508)
Try sixty-something with an adult child.

There is a disease going around among the "youngsters" who are parents these days. I'd call it overprotectiveness, but it doesn't actually protect anybody, just stunts them and actually makes them vulnerable. What it is is what's known as a purity spiral, a dangerous form of groupthink in which people compete to be the most extreme.

Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by llbbdd on Thursday November 20, 2025 @06:37PM (#45999435)
See also the hard-to-separate growing cohort of people who never leave their parents homes long after becoming adults, not because there are no opportunities to pursue, but because they only know how to do things they are given express permission and direction to do because that's all they've known.
Re:Roblox Requires Age Checks for Communication, Ushering in... by engineer_22 on Thursday November 20, 2025 @09:18PM (#46000486)
Nah dude. Stay away from other people's kids, it's not a new rule.