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Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by jmspring on Sunday September 30, 2012 @05:05PM (#4594155)
Until there is a distinct change in driver attitudes, riding without a helmet in most of the US is just nuts. Sure, there are places like Portland with dedicated bike lanes and an overall emphasis on pro-bike culture, but it is a rare spot.

In the bay area, there is a very large biking community -- road, mountain, around town, etc. The problem is, the infrastructure isn't there for bikes compared to Amsterdam. We have "bike lanes" that any vehicle can enter within, say, about 150' to make a turn onto another street. Vehicles don't look for bikes. The bike ways in Amsterdam, certain parts of Munich, and other towns are often separate from the roads. When not, people expect them and are courteous to them much more than here.

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by baddox on Sunday September 30, 2012 @05:25PM (#4594229)
Most of the "anti-helmet" studies and arguments I've seen aren't particularly anti-helmet in principle, but rather just make the case that the benefits of wearing a helmet apply equally to pedestrians and automobile drivers/passengers. The argument isn't that helmets can prevent head injuries while riding a bike. The argument is that if there are laws or social stigma around bicycle helmets, then they should apply equally to pedestrians and automobile drivers/passengers.
Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by cbr on Sunday September 30, 2012 @07:51PM (#4594676)
> the benefits of wearing a helmet apply equally to pedestrians and automobile drivers/passengers

Cycling is about six times more likely to kill you, per hour, than driving. So while helmets in cars would help some, the case for them on bikes is stronger.

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by corporalagumbo on Sunday September 30, 2012 @09:36PM (#4594915)
I would also like to see some evidence for this wild claim.
Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by RegEx on Monday October 01, 2012 @05:21AM (#4595974)
This thread is full of "evidence I've seen" without sources, on both sides of the argument.
Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by rmc on Monday October 01, 2012 @06:56AM (#4596214)
But do people spend as much time driving as cycling?
Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by cpt1138 on Sunday September 30, 2012 @09:06PM (#4594852)
Cite for that statement please?
Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by papalalu on Sunday September 30, 2012 @05:35PM (#4594267)
the fact is that a helmet is not enough to guarantee your safety - if cycling without one is "nuts", cycling with one is too.
Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by notatoad on Sunday September 30, 2012 @05:57PM (#4594346)
A helmet might not guarantee safety, but it is an effective protection against a brain injury. If you fall off your bike and break your collarbone or leg or something, it's not really a big deal. Bones heal with virtually no permanent damage, brain injuries don't.

It isn't about removing all risk - some danger is inherent in pretty much everything you do. The point is to manage the risk, and take acceptable precautions where they are convenient.

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by ScottBurson on Sunday September 30, 2012 @07:15PM (#4594575)
Anecdatum: I recently learned that an old friend of mine had died in a bike accident. No other vehicle was involved; he hit a road hazard (I'm not sure exactly what, but perhaps an uncovered storm drain) and landed on his head. He was wearing a helmet, but it didn't save him.

I've always worn a helmet when cycling -- and I'll continue to do so -- but I've never had an accident in which it mattered, and I don't think it changes the odds as much as you suggest.

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by notatoad on Sunday September 30, 2012 @08:44PM (#4594801)
As i said, a helmet doesn't remove all risk. I don't mean to imply that as long as you're wearing a helmet you're invincible.

There seems to be a strong opinion in these comments that because a bike helmet isn't a magical force field that prevents any possible injury, you shouldn't wear one (with the implication that because helmets don't protect you from every possible injury, you shouldn't ride a bike). All i'm trying to say is that helmets are better than no helmets, and no matter what safety precautions you take, risk is inherent in everything we do.

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by reinout on Monday October 01, 2012 @09:31AM (#4596850)
Helmets better than no helmets is not necessarily true, strangely. Perhaps on an individual right-now level, but not long term. The reason: the biggest protection you can have as a cyclist is lots of cyclists on the road. Helmets lower bike use, so in the end you'll be a lone, vulnerable road warrior...

Btw, would you also wear your cycling helmet while walking on the pavement as a pedestrian? At least in the Netherlands there are more head injuries for pedestrians that fall or hit something than cycling-related head injuries. :-)

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by ImprovedSilence on Sunday September 30, 2012 @05:55PM (#4594336)
This really hits it. A helmet isn't some all protective force field. If a truck is going to run you over, a helmet isn't going to save you.

I think helmets are associated with bikes, because before we used bikes to commute, which involves simply riding about town, we used bikes to rip through the woods inches away from trees and sharp rocks, or jumped them off of mounds of dirt, or flung road bikes down mountain roads at 50per. (at least those three seem to sum up my first 23 years of existence) I live in DC, got old, but still NEVER commute with a helmet, and feel perfectly safe all the time. In fact, tons more safe than when I try to get a training ride in. (for which I wear a helmet)

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by jmspring on Sunday September 30, 2012 @06:03PM (#4594369)
Generally, I've seen three types of injuries with regard to cycling -- the classic being the collar bone breaking, next up some road rash (ie, you know how to lay your bike down or slide out due to a rear flat tire at speed), and head trauma. The first two, the helmet is useless to help. The third? Usually pretty darn helpful.

Around here in Santa Cruz, a town known for biking -- many local builders, a couple of clubs, and a very forceful pro-bike lobby -- we still don't have the infrastructure that places like Portland or Amsterdam have. In fact, the roads are pretty much crap in most places. So you have to be careful. One recent solo accident involved a young adult who was biking at night on a dark road (dumb) but also not wearing a helmet. He crashed. Currently he is in critical condition. Pretty sure a helmet (and a light) would have helped him out.

The story -- http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_21655013/santa...

Personally, I've had some spills while mountain biking where a helmet has come in pretty darn handy.

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by Spooky23 on Sunday September 30, 2012 @08:47PM (#4594805)
Not really -- a helmet protects you from head injury. Is a car seatbelt useless because it doesn't do much for a side collision?

I don't ride much, but one time I was out is the rain and had to swerve on a intersection that happened to be made of cobblestone, and ended up going down hard on the slick stone. Had I not been wearing a helmet, I would have had a severe head trauma.

That type of accident is pretty common, and wearing the helmet avoids lots of needless suffering.

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by BCM43 on Sunday September 30, 2012 @11:37PM (#4595191)
This really hits it. A helmet isn't some all protective force field. If a truck is going to run you over, a helmet isn't going to save you.

Actually: http://www.active.com/cycling/Articles/Bike_helmet_crushed__...

But, in general your point is correct. There are some dramatic examples where a bike helmet saved someones life, but statically it is unlikely.

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by JoeAltmaier on Monday October 01, 2012 @09:11AM (#4596751)
Must be a luck-signularity around where I live. I know several people saved by bike helmets, from small crashes of 2 bikes or bike vs immovable object. One happened last Saturday on an asphalt bike trail with no obstruction - the young man just went down and landed on his head. Busted his helmet all to hell. Got up and got back on his bike.

Lots of statistics thrown around here, and my anecdotes are not statistics, but they are a heck of a lot closer to actionable information that hot air. As for me, I don't regard a helmet as making bicycling seem dangerous, any more than wearing a raincoat makes walking outside seem dangerous. Its just part of my equipment, like the water bottle.

Re:To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets by rmc on Monday October 01, 2012 @06:58AM (#4596217)
Nothing guarantees safety. Everything has a risk. It's impossible to not die. So there's always a non-zero "chance of death/injury" number.