> Moderna has no opioid division.

True. That is a fact I believe

But pull out a bit for a wider view: The establishment that said "trust us" over vaccines was the same establishment that made billions from killing millions by "fueling the current opioid crisis"

> establishment that said "trust us" over vaccines was the same establishment that made billions from killing millions by "fueling the current opioid crisis"

Conflating the "establishment" into a false monolith is rhetorically convenient. It's also wrong.

"Purdue Pharma hired Rudolph Giuliani, the former New York mayor and now Donald Trump’s lawyer, to head off a federal investigation in the mid-2000s into the company’s marketing of the powerful prescription painkiller at the" [1]. (The Sacklers disproportionately donated to the GOP [2]. I see no evidence of them continuing that under MAGA.)

To the extent the people who "kill[ed] millions by 'fueling the current opioid crisis'" had a role in the vaccine debate, it's by hitching up to the anti-vaxers.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/22/rudy-giulian...

[2] https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/04/purdue-pharma-and-t...

> Conflating the "establishment" into a false monolith is rhetorically convenient. It's also wrong.

Nonsense

How is a person supposed to tell the fine grained difference between the perpetrators of cruelty?

It is all the establishment. Largely private actors ( doctors, lawyers, school teachers...) backed up with state scantioned violence in the end

> How is a person supposed to tell the fine grained difference between the perpetrators of cruelty?

Not sure what world you’re living in. But in mine, most people are not committing mass murder.

You appear to be treating "Moderna" as "the establishment", along with lawyers, teachers, and state sanctioned violence, in order to criticise all of them at the same time.

Why, then, does "the establishment" (by your conflation of these things) sue itself?

Why does anybody care?

"The establishment" is a relative term. It is all those %!! over there.

All those you mention are a part of it, a grinding machine that gobbles up people's lives and destroys them, because rules.

And every doctor keeping you well (with rules to prevent scam treatment), every teacher educating you (with rules to maintain standards of education), every defence lawyer keeping you from unjust prosecution (with rules requiring people to actually know the laws first), and every civil rights activist and trade union worker trying to make the rules better.

> And every doctor keeping you well...

...and blah blah blah

You get all those services if you conform and obey.

And also if you don't.

No you don't

E.g: Waiting in pain with a broken arm in hospital, no pain relief (nitros oxide was the appropriate drug) because you look like you might enjoy it

That is my personal experience.

So do not lecture me