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Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by hekkle on Monday November 10, 2025 @11:35PM (#45884158)
I'm surprised they can't just put a filter on the digital versions to achieve a similar look and feel to the 35mm version.

It is clear that the animators factored in the colour changes from the original media to 35mm, so it seems a disservice to them to re-release their works without honouring how they intended the films to be seen.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by etempleton on Monday November 10, 2025 @11:40PM (#45884174)
They could, but it would require some work to get it right. This is very similar to conversations that happen regularly in the retro game scene regarding CRT monitors vs modern monitors for games of a certain era. The analog process was absolutely factored in when the art was being made, so if you want a similar visuals on a modern screen you will need some level of thoughtful post processing.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by Torn on Monday November 10, 2025 @11:57PM (#45884259)
Disney 100% has access to colorists and best in class colour grading software. It must have been a business (cost cutting) decision?
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by aidenn0 on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @12:16AM (#45884350)
Just dialing down the red and blue channels a bit makes it much closer for several of the early '90s releases (look at that Aladdin example from TFA)
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by etempleton on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @12:06AM (#45884313)
The vast majority of people will not care nor even notice. Some people will notice and say, hey, why is it "blurry." So do you spend a good chunk of time and money to make it look accurate or do you just dump the file onto the server and call it a day?
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by cyode on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @12:18AM (#45884364)
To speak nothing of the global audience for these films. I'm guessing most people's first experience seeing these movies was off a VHS or DVD, so the nostalgia factor is only relevant to small percentage of viewers, and only a small percentage of that percentage notices.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by actionfromafar on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @04:36AM (#45885607)
VHS resolution is total crap... yet: it's not uncommon for the colors and contrast on VHS (and some early DVD) to be much better than what is available for streaming today.

This is totally bonkers, because the VHS format is crippled, also color wise. Many modern transfers are just crap.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by phantasmish on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @07:51AM (#45886727)
It’s really amazing how some Blu-ray do in fact manage to be net-worse than early dvd or even vhs, but it’s true.

An infamous case is the Buffy the Vampire Slayer tv show. The Blu-ray (edit: and streaming copies) went back to the film source, which is good, but… that meant losing the color grading and digital effects, because the final show wasn’t printed to film. Not only did they get lazy recreating the effects, they don’t seem to have done scene-by-scene color grading at all. This radically alters the color-mood of many scenes, but worse, it harms the legibility of the show, because lots of scenes were shot day-for-night and fixed in post, but now those just look like they’re daytime, so it’s often hard to tell when a scene is supposed to be taking place, which matters a lot in any show or film but kinda extra-matters in one with fucking vampires.

The result is that even a recorded-from-broadcast VHS is arguably far superior to the blu ray for its colors, which is an astounding level of failure.

(There are other problems with things like some kind of ill-advised auto-cropping seeming to have been applied and turning some wide shots into close-ups, removing context the viewer is intended to have and making scenes confusing, but the colors alone are such a failure that a poor VHS broadcast recording is still arguably better just on those grounds)

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by dclowd9901 on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @12:55AM (#45884513)
How can we get away from this mindset as a society, where craft and art are sacrificed at the altar of "it's not monetarily worth it."

There's a fucking lot of things that are not worth it monetarily, but worth it for the sake of itself. Because it's a nice gesture. Or because it just makes people happy. Not to sound like some hippie idealist, but it's just so frustrating that everything has to be commoditized.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by Affric on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @01:15AM (#45884591)
It’s really been the driving force of modern life for centuries at this point.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by sph on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @03:02AM (#45885095)
Centuries is stretching it. It’s central to industrialisation, Taylor, Ford, etc. The relentless pursuit of efficiency and technique. Its anti-thesis is art for art’s sake.

In modern tech circles, the utilitarian mindset is going strong, now that the hacker ethos is dead and it’s all about being corporate friendly and hireable.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by BoxOfRain on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @04:49AM (#45885680)
Yeah the industrialised world wasn't maligned by Blake as 'dark Satanic mills' or as Mordor by Tolkien because they found it an artistically fulfilling place.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by vasco on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @01:47AM (#45884741)
You can sit down and recolor the movie frame by frame and release it on torrent yourself, it'll make many people happy. It won't be worth it monetarily but since you're annoyed it doesn't exist and money isn't a factor...

It's always easy to complain about others not being generous enough with their time, but we always have an excuse for why we won't do it ourselves.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by eviks on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @02:26AM (#45884906)
You can't do that since besides time you also need knowledge/skill. So the final difference could be between "an extra 1% of the budget" at a corporate level vs "and extra 10% of your life to become a professional and fix a video, and also break the law in the process". Pretty easy to see how it's not just "an excuse", but a bit more fundamental issue
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by richrichardsson on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @02:48AM (#45885023)
I'm this particular instance though it's not really about time, it's studios not wanting to pay what I imagine would be a relatively small amount to do the conversion. It's not going to be a frame-by-frame laborious process.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by mschuster91 on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @03:37AM (#45885277)
> You can sit down and recolor the movie frame by frame and release it on torrent yourself, it'll make many people happy.

You can't, at least not if you want an acceptable result.

In photography, if you have a JPEG photo only, you can't do post-facto adjustments of the white balance, for that you need RAW - too much information has been lost during compression.

For movies it's just the same. To achieve something that actually looks good with a LUT (that's the fancy way for re-coloring, aka color grading), you need access to the uncompressed scans, as early in the processing pipeline as you can get (i.e. before any kind of filter is applied).

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by autoexec on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @05:45AM (#45885956)
> How can we get away from this mindset as a society, where craft and art are sacrificed at the altar of "it's not monetarily worth it."

Honestly, by weakening copyright protections. People who love the works will do the work to protect them when they don't have to fear being sued into bankruptcy for trying to preserve their own culture.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by afavour on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @12:24AM (#45884391)
I’m reminded of the beginning of the movie Elf, where the book publisher is informed that a printing error means their latest book is missing the final two pages. Should they pulp and reprint? He says,

> You think a kid is going to notice two pages? All they do is look at the pictures.

I’m quite sure bean counters look at Disney kids movies the exact same way, despite them being Disney’s bread and butter.

With Star Wars you have a dedicated adult fan base that’ll buy up remasters and reworkings. Aladdin? Not so much. Especially in the streaming era, no one is even buying any individual movie any more.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by kridsdale3 on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @01:25AM (#45884633)
I'm a 39 year old man who ground his VHS of Aladdin to dust in the 90s, and bought the Blu Ray because I can't say I can rely on streaming to always exist.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by CGMthrowaway on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @02:37AM (#45884966)
Steve Jobs' type attitude vs Bill Gates type attitude (in the 90s). Or, Apple vs Microsoft.

The Disney of yesterday might have been a bit more Jobs than Gates, compared to the Disney of today.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by autoexec on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @05:44AM (#45885939)
> With Star Wars you have a dedicated adult fan base that’ll buy up remasters and reworkings. Aladdin? Not so much. Especially in the streaming era, no one is even buying any individual movie any more.

I agree it was likely Disney being cheap, but there are tons of people who'll buy up disney movies on physical media in the age of streaming. Not only are there disney fans who'd rival the obsessiveness of star wars fans, but like Lucas Disney just can't leave shit alone. They go back and censor stuff all the time and you can't get the uncensored versions on their streaming platform. Aladdin is even an example where they've made changes. It's not even a new thing for Disney. The lyrics to one of the songs in Aladdin were changed long before Disney+ existed.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by ZiiS on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @02:31AM (#45884933)
Disney do pay for industry leading colorists. They chose to favour a more saturated look for Aladdin et al. It is reasonable to prefer either. I can't imaging what happened to the greens in the Toy Story examples if they are accurate.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by energy123 on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @10:07AM (#45888090)
They could reduce the saturation with 1 mouse click if they wanted, but they didn't. They must have intentionally decided that high saturation is desirable.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by Fripplebubby on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @10:13AM (#45888178)
They care very deeply about this and devoted a lot of resources to (re)grading the digital versions that you see today on Disney+. The versions you see are intentional and not the result of cost cutting. (I was not directly privy to this work but I worked on Disney+ before its launch and I sat in on some tech talks and other internal information about the digital workflows that led to the final result on the small screen and there was a lot of attention on this at the time)

I think there's a discussion to be had about art, perception and devotion to the "original" or "authentic" version of something that can't be resolved completely but what I don't think is correct is the perception that this was overlooked or a mistake.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by philistine on Monday November 10, 2025 @11:46PM (#45884200)
And ultimately, what you need to achieve acceptable CRT effects is resolution. Only now, with 4K and above, can we start to portray the complex interactions between the electron beam and the produced image by your console. But the colour banding that caused the hearts of The Legend of Zelda to show a golden sheen is still unreachable.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by temp0826 on Monday November 10, 2025 @11:52PM (#45884241)
Reminded me of this article about some retro games on crt vs lcd-

https://wackoid.com/game/10-pictures-that-show-why-crt-tvs-a...

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by belZaah on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @12:50AM (#45884488)
It is doable and you can get presets designed to mimic the look of legendary photography film stock like Velvia. But what they did back then was very much an analog process and thus also inherently unstable. Small details start to matter in terms of exposure times, projectors used etc. There’s so many frames and it took so much time, that it’s almost guaranteed there’d be noticeable differences due to process fluctuations.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by mer_mer on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @01:22AM (#45884615)
You can, that's what Pixar did while creating the film. From the article:

> During production, we’re working mostly from computer monitors. We’re rarely seeing the images on film. So, we have five or six extremely high-resolution monitors that have better color and picture quality. We put those in general work areas, so people can go and see how their work looks. Then, when we record, we try to calibrate to the film stock, so the image we have on the monitor looks the same as what we’ll get on film.

But they didn't do a perfect job (the behavior of film is extremely complex), so there's a question- should the digital release reflect their intention as they were targeting these calibrated monitors or should it reflect what was actually released? Also, this wouldn't include other artifacts like film grain.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by happymellon on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @02:18AM (#45884873)
> Then, when we record, we try to calibrate to the film stock, so the image we have on the monitor

Except, as they say, the high grade monitors were calibrated to emulate the characteristics of film.

If we can show that D+ doesn't look like the film, then we can point out that it probably doesn't look like the calibrated monitors either. Those army men are not that shade of slime green in real life, and you'll have a hard time convincing me that after all the thought and effort went in to the animation they allowed that putrid pea shade to go through.

Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by Asooka on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @05:56AM (#45886024)
The best option for me would be to release it in whatever format preserves the most of the original colour data without modification, then let the viewer application apply colour grading. Give me the raw renders in a linear 16bpc colour space with no changes. Sadly, I don't think we have digital movie formats that can handle that.
Re:The 'Toy Story' You Remember by eleveriven on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @09:49AM (#45887846)
It's not just about slapping on some grain and calling it a day; it's about honoring a whole set of artistic decisions that were made with that specific medium in mind