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Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by latexr on Thursday October 30, 2025 @08:30AM (#45759291)
This is frankly depressing.

> As my eldest son’s birthday was approaching, we suggested that instead of asking for physical gifts, he ask for their equivalent in money. That way, he gathered a decent amount of capital for his first investment adventure.

Yes, why would you want a toy or a book? Why waste time having fun or learning? You could instead watch a number go up slowly while you do nothing. Fun for the whole family, seconds at a time!

> Each day, as they watch their small fund grow, they grasp the magic of compound interest — and that, more than any gift, is a lesson I hope will stay with them for life.

This feels like raising finance dude bros and gambling addicts. There is no “magic” to compound interest, no one should have “watch money accumulate” as a life goal.

Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by kaggie on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:29AM (#45759831)
Okay thank goodness I’m not the only one who finds this incredibly sad. Especially as someone who is trying to make money less important in my life.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by nxor on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:32AM (#45759861)
In what way are you doing that? Not that I disagree just curious how
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by kaggie on Thursday October 30, 2025 @11:48AM (#45761355)
All I mean by that is having an honest job I don’t totally dread, not getting a high-paying job that wrecks my mental health solely because it pays a lot, buying only what I need with minimal wants, trying to live simply without extravagance. I do in fact track budgeting very consistently and have a 401K, among other things, so that I avoid homelessness and stuff. But I do not think about how to make more and more money constantly.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by exitb on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:51AM (#45760029)
The simple way would be to not "manage" your finances, don't build an investment portfolio. Have an honest work, live happily within your means and save whatever's left in cash.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by nxor on Thursday October 30, 2025 @10:07AM (#45760188)
Sadly, honest work is a dying value.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by UK-Al05 on Thursday October 30, 2025 @11:20AM (#45761020)
I don't think you understand. In the US you have to invest, or you simply won't retire before you die.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by GCUMstlyHarmls on Thursday October 30, 2025 @10:06AM (#45760174)
By earning more.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by nxor on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:33AM (#45759870)
Kids used to be encouraged to work hard and to learn. Every day I realize that some kids are not raised with this idea. Why work hard when others can, and you'll get even richer? Learning schmearning
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by pickleglitch on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:19AM (#45759739)
He's teaching them the most important lesson of living in a capitalist system: wealth comes from having money, not from earning money.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by exitb on Thursday October 30, 2025 @10:17AM (#45760276)
If he's not able to also provide them with a sizeable initial capital, this lesson is also completely irrelevant. No one becomes really wealthy by investing savings off their modest salary.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by UK-Al05 on Thursday October 30, 2025 @10:33AM (#45760446)
I mean you can literally do that. And get wealthly. It'll just be a meagre existence up and until retirement.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by triceratops on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:20PM (#45767371)
You can, however, get wealthy by investing savings off a good salary.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by SirMaster on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:50AM (#45760025)
It's better to invest in assets though than just the stock market. The wealthy build wealth by borrowing and buying assets like real estate. This ways makes it easier to avoid income taxes and capital gains taxes and you also get massive tax deductions for asset deprecation that you can use to offset most or all of what income it does provide.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by roberdam on Thursday October 30, 2025 @08:52AM (#45759497)
Kids are 7 and 10 , this is a mini "Marshmallow Test" and they can use their money whenever they want if they find a book or toy they like while they learn how investments work.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by nxor on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:35AM (#45759887)
Or they could work for money when they are old enough to
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by rusty__ on Thursday October 30, 2025 @08:42AM (#45759394)
agreed - he doesn't say the age of the kids but I imagine they're both under 10? Done right this could set them up for life and make them millionaires with virtually no effort by the age of 30 and still give them a childhood filled with toys and fun. But removing birthday gifts entirely from a young child... woah. Kids need physical items and tangible hobbies to share and bond with friends, even if it's just a cool looking stick. Is a child's brain developed enough to understand, enjoy and share a lot of these concepts, could it maybe lead to them becoming isolated?
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by floundy on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:02AM (#45759581)
>Done right this could set them up for life and make them millionaires with virtually no effort by the age of 30

This seems hyperbolic. Given that money doubles in roughly 10 years at a 10% rate of return, if kiddos are 10 years old they get two doublings by 30. To be a millionaire by 30 requires a present value investment of $250k per child.

Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by codedokode on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:12AM (#45759672)
You should take inflation into consideration, so the million in 20 years won't be the same as now.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by floundy on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:27AM (#45759818)
It’s been my experience that when people are talking about some future sum of money without specifying real or nominal they are referring to a real sum, based on their current day concept of monetary value.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by ascendantlogic on Thursday October 30, 2025 @08:39AM (#45759353)
How is teaching your kids to invest some portion of their money "raising finance due bros and gambling addicts"? Just because modern culture has incentivized these kinds of people doesn't suddenly make investing bad. This is such a wild take.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by latexr on Thursday October 30, 2025 @08:48AM (#45759448)
> How is teaching your kids to invest some portion of their money

That’s not what the article says. I explicitly quoted the relevant part. It’s not “a portion of their money”, this is not money they had lying around in an envelope that grandma gave them. This father is incentivising the kids to not get what they want for their birthday and instead ask for money with which they’ll do nothing but unrealistically watch grow for a period of time. That’s not a good core memory, no one looks fondly on “that birthday I had as a kid where I got nothing but a number on an app stated growing at a snail pace”.

> doesn't suddenly make investing bad.

That’s not the argument. Nowhere in my comment does it say investing is bad.

> This is such a wild take.

Any take is wild when you blatantly misrepresent it. Don’t straw man.

Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by roberdam on Thursday October 30, 2025 @08:58AM (#45759557)
Kids are 7 and 10 , this is a mini "Marshmallow Test" and they can use their money whenever they want if they find a book or toy they like while they learn how investments work.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by B56b on Friday October 31, 2025 @04:41PM (#45776467)
Seems more like a "mega" Marshmallow Test. Instead of putting off a snack for 15 minutes they're giving up an entire year of birthday gifts for a reward years into the future.
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by macNchz on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:14AM (#45759697)
I dunno, while they didn’t tell me to ask for cash, my parents basically made me invest any cash I got as gifts, plus everything I earned at summer jobs. I think that this kind of “investing by default” mindset (plus getting my own desktop computer for Christmas at age 11) extremely significantly impacted my current life in a positive way.

Also, learning to use Excel by playing fantasy stocks during the dot-com bubble, and having a Lycos homepage “Portfolio” widget just like my mom did is a fond memory for me, and zero people on Earth would call me a finance bro today.

Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by latexr on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:52AM (#45760040)
The major difference is that in all your examples you were already getting cash. In the article, the poster is incentivising their kids to get cash instead of something else specific. From the article:

> we suggested that instead of asking for physical gifts, he ask for their equivalent in money.

For their equivalent. In other words, the kid has to decide something they want then deliberately choose to not get it so they can “invest” it and see line go up.

It would’ve been different if this had instead been a case of “grandma just gave you an envelope with cash; if you don’t have plans for it, how about investing?”. Which works on many levels, they could’ve also spent some portion of the money on something they wanted then invested the surplus, or a myriad other options.

Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by nxor on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:36AM (#45759894)
Investing isn't bad? Sure we all do it but how isn't it bad?
Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by mpalmer on Thursday October 30, 2025 @08:57AM (#45759548)
> Why waste time having fun or learning?

yeah definitely no learning happening here

> You could instead watch a number go up slowly while you do nothing.

and then...spend it on something nice?

> This feels like raising finance dude bros and gambling addicts.

This is a super reactive take speaking from no experience whatsoever. My own parents did something like this for us when we were in elementary/middle school and it taught me restraint in spending, not the opposite.

Re:Show HN: In a single HTML file, an app to encourage my ch... by latexr on Thursday October 30, 2025 @09:05AM (#45759610)
> This is a super reactive take speaking from no experience whatsoever.

You have no idea what my experience is, please don’t assume.

> My own parents did something like this for us when we were in elementary/middle school and it taught me restraint in spending, not the opposite.

I’m glad it worked out for you. Truly. But don’t assume your experience is universal, because I unfortunately know for a fact it’s not. Also, the argument isn’t that it causes unrestrained spending, that’s not what financial dude bros are about. Excessive restraint in spending can also lead to unhappiness and an unhealthy attachment to money.