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Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by mort96 on Friday October 24, 2025 @12:28PM (#45696230)
And what's the ETA for M5 support?
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Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by internet2000 on Friday October 24, 2025 @01:21PM (#45696871)
That's not a helpful answer.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by scuff3d on Friday October 24, 2025 @01:53PM (#45697249)
How is that not helpful? A group of volunteers working in their spare time to do something incredibly difficult clearly aren't working fast enough for this person. The logical thing to do would be to jump in and help.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by Retr0id on Friday October 24, 2025 @03:27PM (#45698236)
It's ok for a free thing to not meet someone's needs.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by scuff3d on Friday October 24, 2025 @06:17PM (#45699671)
Agreed. But it seems a not insignificant number of people think they should get everything they want immediately
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by garbagewoman on Friday October 24, 2025 @03:13PM (#45698104)
How is it helpful?
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by scuff3d on Friday October 24, 2025 @06:16PM (#45699665)
If you read the rest of the posts above the one I'm replying to I think it's pretty clear this wasn't a serious question. It was asked ironically as in "the rest of the work doesn't matter, they're taking too long to get M5 support out"

I'm saying it's an open project and if people want to bitch they're going too slow they are welcome to contribute.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by jama211 on Friday October 24, 2025 @01:57PM (#45697298)
Doesn’t give anything like an ETA… which was the question.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by scuff3d on Friday October 24, 2025 @06:16PM (#45699664)
If you read the rest of the posts above the one I'm replying to I think it's pretty clear this wasn't a serious question. It was asked ironically as in "the rest of the work doesn't matter, they're taking too long to get M5 support out"

I'm saying it's an open project and if people want to bitch they're going too slow they are welcome to contribute.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by Klonoar on Friday October 24, 2025 @07:27PM (#45700128)
More cooks in the kitchen doesn't always move the needle. You're being needlessly flippant for no real reason.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by scuff3d on Friday October 24, 2025 @09:32PM (#45700704)
No, I was making a point.

Asahi Linux is a volunteer project. Devs commit their free time to work on something incredibly difficult, giving people the ability to run Linux on an entirely new platform, and all people can do is complain it isn't good enough.

And this is just one example, you see this kind of crap all over the Open Source community. Providing constructive feedback is one thing, bitching that they aren't working fast enough is another. Either get involved and find some way to help out, or shut up.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by Klonoar on Friday October 24, 2025 @11:31PM (#45701177)
> No, I was making a point.

No, you're not. You're just regurgitating the same boring tired response of most OSS communities. It doesn't actually change or improve anything.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by scuff3d on Saturday October 25, 2025 @12:32AM (#45701365)
I mean... people could just stop bitching that free projects don't cater to their every whim. Then people wouldn't have to point out how stupid that mentality is.

If you'd care to suggest a solution I'm sure everyone would love to hear it.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by Klonoar on Saturday October 25, 2025 @06:17PM (#45707424)
> people could just stop bitching that free projects don't cater to their every whim.

This is never going to happen, but you're certainly welcome to spend your energy online however you wish.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by scuff3d on Sunday October 26, 2025 @02:28AM (#45709570)
So you don't have any solutions I take it?
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by jama211 on Saturday October 25, 2025 @01:52PM (#45705723)
Glad you’ve admitted just how unhelpful you’re really being. Touch some grass mate.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by scuff3d on Sunday October 26, 2025 @02:27AM (#45709565)
I'm not the one spending my time crying that a free project isn't working hard enough for me. I'm just pointing out what a useless attitude that is. Only takes a second to encourage people not to be assholes :)
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by bigyabai on Friday October 24, 2025 @12:54PM (#45696512)
Alternatively, you can buy a laptop from an OEM that doesn't play keep-away with the Linux upstream using their drivers.

I write lots of Linux software but I have no intention to explicitly support Asahi or Macs whatsoever. Apple's greed is not something I will support with my money or my time, if Apple wants to court the Linux community then they can do it the same way Intel, AMD and Nvidia get along with us. Making your fans reverse-engineer devicetree drivers is just insulting.

Mac hardware is and will be a second-rate Linux experience, which is a shame because Apple could be competing with Nvidia for market share if they simply gave a shit.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by rogerrogerr on Friday October 24, 2025 @12:56PM (#45696532)
It's really pretty incredible - that people are putting up with Apple's "keep-away" is evidence of just how unbelievably far ahead they are in hardware.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by bigyabai on Friday October 24, 2025 @12:57PM (#45696557)
Or it could be a symbol of an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple, that customers perceive to be symbiotic but business-wise is wholly parasitic.

Like I said, Apple could be a real player... if they had any incentive to compete.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by latexr on Friday October 24, 2025 @01:17PM (#45696826)
> Or it could be a symbol of an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple

Pretty hard to make that argument about people who explicitly want to get rid of Apple’s OS from their hardware.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by bornfreddy on Friday October 24, 2025 @01:32PM (#45697016)
Not really. Apple hardware is great, but MacOS sucks big time (compared to Linux).
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by latexr on Friday October 24, 2025 @02:28PM (#45697632)
And do you think it makes sense to argue that someone who says “macOS sucks big time” but likes their hardware has an “unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple”? If anything, it seems to show a pragmatic relationship (that whatever you like/need from each).
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by bigyabai on Friday October 24, 2025 @03:59PM (#45698511)
If someone likes their partner's body, but despises their personality and the way they treat them, I would call that an unhealthy emotional attachment, not a pragmatic relationship.

It's almost never pragmatic to assume that your own suffering will necessarily yield a better outcome. Maybe your smoking hot partner eventually becomes a better person, but is it worth investing 10 years of mental anguish for the chance of getting there? A real pragmatist starts dating again, which forces their partner to stop taking themselves for granted. If Apple wasn't a literal monopoly, their customers could be holding them over a barrel and forcing their software products to compete naturally.

macOS sucks because their customers have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple. Americans forfeit their opportunity to regulate Apple into real competition, and now we are paying the price with top-down app censorship, UI disaster updates and bugfixes that add more bugs than fixes.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by latexr on Friday October 24, 2025 @04:30PM (#45698745)
> If someone likes their partner's body, but despises their personality and the way they treat them

Then they have to take the whole package or nothing at all. You can’t swap your partner’s brain. But you can change your OS on your computer. These things are not comparable.

> macOS sucks because their customers have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple.

No, macOS (currently) sucks because Apple is doing a bad job. Their customers’ relationship to the company is orthogonal to the OS’ quality.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by bigyabai on Friday October 24, 2025 @01:17PM (#45696835)
Nope, as a former macOS user myself I can assure you it's quite trivial.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by microtonal on Friday October 24, 2025 @01:49PM (#45697208)
I don't think that the people who want to buy a Mac to run Asahi Linux have (an unhealthy) emotional attachment to Apple, they wouldn't run Linux on a MacBook otherwise.

(I love macOS, though I also have a ThinkPad with NixOS.)

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by xtracto on Friday October 24, 2025 @02:27PM (#45697621)
I recently spent around $6k in a new 14in MacBook Pro with 128gb unified ram and 4tb HD. To replace my old Linux running 2012 MacBook pro.

I searched throughly for something as close to that MBP hw conf but with Linux compatibility. There's just no hardware equivalent to what the Macbookpro, including the build quality.

So I de idea to go for the MBP and install vmware + Linux. It's an amazing piece of hardware.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by panny on Friday October 24, 2025 @09:16PM (#45700641)
I work as a contractor these days. I find the teams with top spec macbooks have terribly bloated code bases, because they don't notice. Pulling into the project with my laptop with 8gbs of ram instantly recognizes the bloat. I point out the things they are doing wrong, and they typically know, but haven't cared to fix the issues. They end up wasting a mountain of money in production and ironically become very cost sensitive about hours worked instead.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by renewiltord on Friday October 24, 2025 @04:53PM (#45698957)
It's funny that this exact question is mentioned in marcan's "I'm leaving Asahi Linux" blogpost, haha.

> And, of course, “When is M3/M4 support coming?”

https://marcan.st/2025/02/resigning-as-asahi-linux-project-l...

It's just amusing to me that Linux users since the beginning of time have been working hard on ensuring the maintainers of their software get upset at them and quit working on their software.

Over decades of seeing this, it is entertaining that people never change. There will be a great beauty to the vim v emacs wars in 5723 CE between the people of Gliese 251b and Gliese 251c.

Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by mort96 on Friday October 24, 2025 @06:37PM (#45699815)
To be clear, I would not ordinarily ask these kinds of questions. I understand that things take time. That's why I'm resigned to the idea that Asahi will never again be roughly up to date with the latest Apple hardware. I only asked this question because hanikesn seems to think that Asahi will magically suddenly be up to date once they've upstreamed everything.
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by Reason077 on Friday October 24, 2025 @07:18PM (#45700077)
Would I be correct in thinking that once M3 is up and running, M4 (and M5?) - the basics at least - should be relatively easy due to architectural similarities? In the same way that M2 was relatively easy because it was quite similar to the M1?
Re:Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootl... by chithanh on Saturday October 25, 2025 @10:44AM (#45704302)
No. One major obstacle with M4 support is SPTM.

M5 has major GPU changes again so that is even more ways off.