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Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by vkou on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @04:23AM (#45589540)
Wait, hold on, I thought the promise of crypto was that:

1. The feds can't take your money.

2. Once your money's gone, it's gone.

If criminals can't count on #1 holding true, and their victims can't count on #2 holding true, what is even the point of it?

Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by jimbohn on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @07:25AM (#45590792)
The new promise of crypto is helping organized crime or sanctioned individuals/countries with payments, and it's delivering!
Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by AndrewStephens on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @08:42AM (#45591537)
> The new promise of crypto is helping organized crime or sanctioned individuals/countries with payments, and it's delivering!

It's not even new - Bitcoin right from the start was explicitly created to replace a centralized system used by criminals to evade currency controls. Bitcoin's creator(s?) saw that the various governments were eventually able to shut that down and set up Bitcoin as a decentralized system to avoid that problem.

It's not a flaw in crypto that criminals flock to it - it is built into the very design. This story shows that it is not perfect but to criminals it is the best that they have.

Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by yard2010 on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @04:45AM (#45589701)
Instead of these two take this simple rule: not your key not your money.

There's no thing that the feds can't have because they have an infinite amount of sanctions violence and tools at their disposal to make anyone do what they want, one way or another.

Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by Jolter on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @05:55AM (#45590144)
Criminals can’t count on #1 if they hold the keys on them when they get arrested.

>were previously stored in unhosted cryptocurrency wallets whose private keys the defendant had in his possession. Those funds (the Defendant Cryptocurrency) are presently in the custody of the U.S. government.

Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by Muromec on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @04:30AM (#45589596)
They used the forbidden technique of 5€ wrench.
Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by whatevaa on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @05:19AM (#45589917)
It's not even forbidden, anyone can use it.
Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by sethammons on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @07:19AM (#45590750)
Beating someone with a wrench feels unlawful/forbidden pretty much everywhere.
Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by Muromec on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @10:18AM (#45592982)
Unless you are FBI of course
Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by pixl97 on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @12:49PM (#45595320)
I mean, I don't disagree, but there are far more government agencies around the world that will beat you with a wrench first.
Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by Muromec on Thursday October 16, 2025 @09:29AM (#45605110)
If you are lucky, then the three letters are from Latin alphabet, but you never know
Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by mminer237 on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @03:48PM (#45597512)
Uh, no, a judge can put you in prison, but it's still very much unlawful for the FBI to beat you with a wrench.
Re:DOJ seizes $15B in Bitcoin from 'pig butchering' scam bas... by yieldcrv on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @03:23PM (#45597191)
Its not clear how the feds got the money

More information as the mystery deepens, it's not proceeds from just the pig butchering

https://www.elliptic.co/blog/15-billion-us-seizure-reveals-p...