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Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by eloisant on Sunday October 12, 2025 @09:50AM (#45558222)
I wish Flash would have died sooner.

It was a plague on the web, you couldn't zoom, select text, go back, just a black box ignoring everything about your web browser.

Killing it was probably the best thing Jobs ever did.

Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by Minor49er on Sunday October 12, 2025 @12:08PM (#45559233)
Flash players had zoom built in. And I believe there were textareas that allowed people to copy and paste text if they wanted, though it wasn't very common

Flash was the last thing that got people excited for the Web generally

Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by spartanatreyu on Monday October 13, 2025 @07:54PM (#45574653)
> Flash players had zoom built in

The zoom was limited to the frame that the flash player sat in, so you'd end up with different parts of the website at different zoom levels.

Also flash wasn't responsive and couldn't flow like real website content can.

> Flash was the last thing that got people excited for the Web generally

That's only because all the capabilities were new, now they're built into the web itself. See:

- https://ciechanow.ski/airfoil/

- https://slowroads.io/

- https://photopea.com

- https://superspl.at/view?id=1eacd61c

- https://itch.io/games/platform-web

- https://alche.studio/

- https://ruinergame.com/ (scroll down)

- etc...

Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by acheron on Sunday October 12, 2025 @11:14AM (#45558778)
This. Flash was awful. I see people defending it and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by big_toast on Sunday October 12, 2025 @12:00PM (#45559182)
I dunno, a whole subtree of the internet died and I’m not sure it really came back. It was a beautiful Galápagos Islands.
Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by sarchertech on Sunday October 12, 2025 @12:35PM (#45559519)
For the most part, people are talking about games and animation, not text based websites.
Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by acidburnNSA on Sunday October 12, 2025 @12:53PM (#45559678)
Did you ever try one of those Flash-based room escape games? It was really amazing to lose yourself in the challenges and puzzles.
Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by 9x39 on Sunday October 12, 2025 @01:17PM (#45559905)
It was both awful when it showed up in the enterprise and amazing at unleashing creativity for many. Most young non-technical people I knew during its rise had regularly made Flash creations or even games, and deeply enjoyed the Cambrian explosion of games and animations for a few years.
Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by morshu9001 on Sunday October 12, 2025 @02:13PM (#45560399)
It was really meant for animation and games but got misused as a web GUI tool. I think it would've been fine to allow it anyway, and anyone who wants to build a GUI can just not use Flash.
Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by ethbr1 on Sunday October 12, 2025 @01:57PM (#45560263)
Flash was the original web Excel (also Lotus 1-2-3) -- a simultaneous design + data + programming tool.

These are terrible for maintainability, but excellent for usability.

On the whole, I'd say it was easily a loss for the greater web that web programming left the citizen-programmer behind. (By requiring them all to turn into hamfisted front-end javascript programmers...)

Many of the centralized evils of the current web might have been avoided if there had remained an onramp for the neophyte to really create for the web.

I.e. Facebook et al. might have instead been replaced by a hosted, better-indexed Macromedia create + edit + host platform

Or the amount of shit code produced by inexperienced front-end devs throwing spaghetti at IE might have been reduced

Re:Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before the... by pjmlp on Monday October 13, 2025 @03:56AM (#45565878)
Thankfully now we have WebAssembly/WebGL/WebGPU for that.