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Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by PaulHoule on Saturday October 11, 2025 @09:14AM (#45548896)
What really matters is the cost.

In the past a game console might launch at a high price point and then after a few years, the price goes down and they can release a new console at a high at a price close to where the last one started.

Blame crypto, AI, COVID but there has been no price drop for the PS5 and if there was gonna be a PS6 that was really better it would probably have to cost upwards of $1000 and you might as well get a PC. Sure there are people who haven’t tried Steam + an XBOX controller and think PV gaming is all unfun and sweaty but they will come around.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Retric on Saturday October 11, 2025 @10:35AM (#45549469)
Inflation. PS5 standard at $499 in 2019 is $632 in 2025 money which is the same as the 1995 PS 1 when adjusted for inflation $299 (1995) to $635(2025). https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Thus the PS6 should be around 699 at launch.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by blihp on Saturday October 11, 2025 @12:09PM (#45550236)
When I bought a PS 1 around 1998-99 I paid $150 and I think that included a game or two. It's the later in the lifecycle price that has really changed (didn't the last iteration of it get down to either $99 or $49?)
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by -mlv on Saturday October 11, 2025 @10:32PM (#45554656)
In 2002 I remember PS1 being sold for 99€ in Toys'r'Us in the Netherlands, next to a PS2 being sold for 199€.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by IlikeKitties on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:32AM (#45549932)
The main issue with inflation is that my salary is not inflation adjusted. Thus the relative price increase adjusted by inflation might be zero but the relative price increase adjusted by my salary is not.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Aurornis on Saturday October 11, 2025 @12:08PM (#45550228)
The phrase “cost of living increase” is used to refer to an annual salary increase designed to keep up with inflation.

Typically, you should be receiving at least an annual cost of living increase each year. This is standard practice for every company I’ve ever worked for and it’s a common practice across the industry. Getting a true raise is the amount above and beyond the annual cost of living increase.

If your company has been keeping your salary fixed during this time of inflation, then you are correct that you are losing earning power. I would strongly recommend you hit the job market if that’s the case because the rest of the world has moved on.

In some of the lower wage brackets (not us tech people) the increase in wages has actually outpaced inflation.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by IlikeKitties on Saturday October 11, 2025 @12:18PM (#45550321)
Thank you for your concern but I'm in Germany so the situation is a bit different and only very few companies have been able to keep up with inflation around here. I've seen at least a few adjustments but would not likely find a job that pays as well as mine does 100% remote. Making roughly 60K in Germany as a single in his 30s isn't exactly painful.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Aurornis on Saturday October 11, 2025 @12:49PM (#45550606)
> but would not likely find a job that pays as well as mine does 100% remote.

That makes sense. The market for remote jobs has been shrinking while more people are competing for the smaller number of remote jobs. In office comes with a premium now and remote is a high competition space.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by tormeh on Saturday October 11, 2025 @04:55PM (#45552625)
If you want to work 100% remote you could consider working for a US company as a consultant?
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by majewsky on Saturday October 11, 2025 @09:01PM (#45554174)
If a US company hires you in Germany, either you get hired by their German branch or a personnel service provider based in Germany; and thus get paid "competitive" salaries typical of the country. Or you need to have some kind of setup where you are a freelancer or such and you figure out the taxation and statutory insurances and such on your own, which I'm not familiar with (my freelance IT consultancy side-business is rather simple because of small scale and only domestic customers). That will probably work, and if you manage to get a senior Silicon Valley salary, you would probably come out ahead by a bit after taxes and insurances. But you would probably need good tax advisors to avoid stepping in expensive loopholes, and if you work more than 80% for a single employer, the tax administration will be on your case because false self-employment is a possible method of tax evasion and has been outlawed.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by tormeh on Sunday October 12, 2025 @10:20AM (#45558418)
If the client you're consulting for has no presence in Germany then it cannot possibly be false self-employment, surely?
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by majewsky on Monday October 13, 2025 @03:43PM (#45572524)
False self-employment is judged solely by whether you spend 80% or more of your worktime working for a single employer.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by 1000100_1000101 on Saturday October 11, 2025 @01:17PM (#45550865)
Typically "Cost Of Living" increases target roughly inflation. They don't really keep up though, due to taxes.

If you've got a decent tech job in Canada your marginal tax rate will be near 50%. Any new income is taxed at that rate, so that 3% COL raise, is really a 1.5% raise in your purchasing power, which typically makes you worse off.

Until you're at a very comfortable salary, you're better off job hopping to boost your salary. I'm pretty sure all the financial people are well aware they're eroding their employees salaries over time, and are hoping you are not aware.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Retric on Saturday October 11, 2025 @02:24PM (#45551406)
Tax brackets also shift through time, though less frequently. So if you only get COL increases for 20 years you’re going to be reasonably close to the same after tax income barring significant changes to the tax code.

In the US the bottom tax brackets where 10% under 2020 $19,750 then 12% next bucket, in 2025 it’s 10% under $23,850 then 12% next bracket. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/historical-income...

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by skuzye on Saturday October 11, 2025 @04:38PM (#45552490)
And here I am in the UK, where the brackets have been frozen until 2028 (if they don't invent some reason to freeze further).
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Retric on Saturday October 11, 2025 @05:18PM (#45552799)
Freezing tax brackets is a somewhat stealthy way to shift the tax burden to lower income households as it’s less obviously a tax increase.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by greenavocado on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:46AM (#45550042)
Those in charge of fiat printing presses have run the largest theft or wealth in world history since 1971 when the dollar decoupled from gold.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Retric on Saturday October 11, 2025 @03:44PM (#45552067)
Cash is a small fraction of overall US wealth, but inflation is a very useful tax on foreigners using USD thus subsidizing the US economy.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by ponector on Saturday October 11, 2025 @03:51PM (#45552134)
Is your salary the same as 10 years ago?
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by greenavocado on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:45AM (#45550032)
How many grams of gold has the PS cost at launch using gold prices on launch day
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by ssl-3 on Saturday October 11, 2025 @07:31PM (#45553692)
If I'm doing this right, then:

PS1: 24.32 grams at launch

PS5 (disc): 8.28 grams at launch

(So I guess that if what one uses for currency is a sock drawer full of gold, then consoles have become a lot cheaper in the past decades.)

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Uvix on Saturday October 11, 2025 @10:30AM (#45549430)
As long as I need a mouse and keyboard to install updates or to install/start my games from GOG, it's still going to be decidedly unfun, but hopefully Windows' upcoming built-in controller support will make it less unfun.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by PaulHoule on Saturday October 11, 2025 @10:37AM (#45549488)
Today you can just buy an Xbox controller and pair it with your Windows computer and it just works and it’s the same same with the Mac.

You don’t have to install any drivers or anything and with the big screen mode in Steam it’s a lean back experience where you can pick out your games and start one up without using anything other than the controller.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by jamesnorden on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:35AM (#45549950)
Plus add your GOG games as non-Steam games to Steam and launch them from big screen mode as well.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by withinboredom on Saturday October 11, 2025 @10:55AM (#45549635)
If you have steam, ps4/ps5 controllers also work fine.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by PaulHoule on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:47AM (#45550058)
They do but they cost a lot more.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by withinboredom on Saturday October 11, 2025 @12:33PM (#45550459)
My ps5 came with one for “free”
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by musicale on Saturday October 11, 2025 @03:32PM (#45551982)
They do not work fine in every game. That is why I think you need a Steam controller as well.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Uvix on Saturday October 11, 2025 @01:38PM (#45551055)
But when I have to install drivers, or install a non-Steam game, I can't do that with the controller yet. That's what I need for PC gaming to work in my living room.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Rohansi on Saturday October 11, 2025 @03:24PM (#45551913)
Or you just need a Steam controller. They're discontinued now but work well as a mouse+keyboard for desktop usage. It got squished into the Steam Deck so hopefully there's a new version in the future.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by musicale on Saturday October 11, 2025 @02:35PM (#45551494)
I like big picture mode in Steam, but.... controller support is spotty across Steam games, and personally I think you need both a Steam controller and a DualSense or Xbox controller. Steam also updates itself by default every time you launch, and you have to deal with Windows updates and other irritations. Oh, here's another update for .net, wonderful. And a useless new AI agent. SteamOS and Linux/Proton may be better in some ways, but there are still compatibility and configuration headaches. And half my Steam library doesn't even work on macOS, even games that used to work (not to mention the issues with intel vs. Apple Silicon, etc.)

The "it just works" factor and not having to mess with drivers is a huge advantage of consoles.

Apple TV could almost be a decent game system if Apple ever decided to ship a controller in the box and stopped breaking App Store games every year (though live service games rot on the shelf anyway.)

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by overfeed on Saturday October 11, 2025 @03:00PM (#45551710)
> [...]controller support is spotty[...]

DualSense 4 and 5 support under Linux is rock-solid, wired or wireless. That's to be expected since the drivers are maintained by Sony[1]. I have no idea about the XBox controller, but I know DS works perfectly with Steam/Proton out of the box, with the vanilla Linux kernel.

1. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Sony-HID-PlayStation-PS5

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by musicale on Saturday October 11, 2025 @03:27PM (#45551936)
I have clarified that I meant controller support in the Steam games themselves. Some of them work well, some of them not so well. Others need to be configured. Others only work with a Steam controller. I wish everything worked well with DualSense, especially since I really like its haptics, but it's basically on the many (many) game developers to provide the same kind of controller support that is standard on consoles.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by overfeed on Saturday October 11, 2025 @04:09PM (#45552266)
Thanks for the clarification. I've into that a couple of times - Steam's button remapping helps sometimes, but you'd have to remember which controller button the on-screen symbol maps to.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by amlib on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:25PM (#45554928)
Are you sure you have steam configured right? Because with steam input you can get proper xbox controller emulation on games that don't support PS4/5 and NS controllers. It's not perfect but you should never be stuck if you don't have an xbox or steam controller when running games inside Steam.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by musicale on Monday October 13, 2025 @02:49AM (#45565454)
Lots of games on Steam simply don't have great (or really any) controller support. Steam controller can sort of play some of them though since it can emulate mouse + keyboard etc.

My experience with Steam Input is ... OK in some cases. It's annoying that it seems to break games that actually do support the DualSense properly (though full haptics only work in wired mode) like FFXIV.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by samtheprogram on Saturday October 11, 2025 @10:40AM (#45549513)
Launch Steam in big screen mode. Done.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Uvix on Saturday October 11, 2025 @01:40PM (#45551072)
I'm aware of Big Picture Mode, and it doesn't address either of the scenarios I cited specifically because they can't be done from Big Picture Mode.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by cyanydeez on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:19AM (#45549840)
Im still watching 720p movirs, video games.

Somewhere between 60 hz and 240hz, theres zero fundamental benefits. Same for resolution.

It isnt just that hardware progress is a sigmoid, our experiential value.

The reality is that exponential improvement is not a fundamental force. Its always going to find some limit.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by majkinetor on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:47AM (#45550047)
On my projector (120 inch) the difference between 720p and 4k is night and day.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by crote on Saturday October 11, 2025 @12:35PM (#45550482)
Screen size is pretty much irrelevant, as nobody is going to be watching it at nose-length distance to count the pixels. What matters is angular resolution: how much area does a pixel take up in your field of vision? Bigger screens are going to be further away, so they need the same resolution to provide the same quality as a smaller screen which is closer to the viewer.

Resolution-wise, it depends a lot on the kind of content you are viewing as well. If you're looking at a locally-rendered UI filled with sharp lines, 720p is going to look horrible compared to 4k. But when it comes to video you've got to take bitrate into account as well. If anything, a 4k movie with a bitrate of 3Mbps is going to look worse than a 720p movie with a bitrate of 3Mbps.

I definitely prefer 4k over 720p as well, and there's a reason my desktop setup has had a 32" 4k monitor for ages. But beyond that? I might be able to be convinced to spend a few bucks extra for 6k or 8k if my current setup dies, but anything more would be a complete waste of money - at reasonable viewing distances there's absolutely zero visual difference.

We're not going to see 10.000Hz 32k graphics in the future, simply because nobody will want to pay extra to upgrade from 7.500Hz 16k graphics. Even the "hardcore gamers" don't hate money that much.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Vvector on Saturday October 11, 2025 @01:24PM (#45550929)
Does an increased pixel count make a bad movie better?
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Mawr on Saturday October 11, 2025 @03:20PM (#45551877)
Does a decreased pixel count make a good movie better?
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by bmacho on Sunday October 12, 2025 @08:11AM (#45557632)
Often it does, yes
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by IlikeKitties on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:36AM (#45549962)
> Im still watching 720p movirs, video games.

There's a noticeable and obvious improvement from 720 to 1080p to 4k (depending on the screen size). While there are diminishing gains, up to at least 1440p there's still a very noticeable difference.

> Somewhere between 60 hz and 240hz, theres zero fundamental benefits. Same for resolution.

Also not true. While the difference between 40fps and 60fps is more noticeable than say from 60 to 100fps, the difference is still noticeable enough. Add the reduction in latency that's also very noticeable.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by saulpw on Saturday October 11, 2025 @12:17PM (#45550312)
Is the difference between 100fps and 240fps noticeable though? The OP said "somewhere between 60hz and 240hz" and I agree.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by unethical_ban on Saturday October 11, 2025 @12:42PM (#45550549)
Somewhere between a shoulder tap and a 30-06 there is a painful sensation.

The difference between 60 and 120hz is huge to me. I havent had a lot of experience above 140.

Likewise, 4k is a huge difference in font rendering, and 1080->1440 is big in gaming.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by drawfloat on Saturday October 11, 2025 @03:55PM (#45552164)
4K is big but certainly was not as big a leap forward as SD to HD
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by IlikeKitties on Saturday October 11, 2025 @12:22PM (#45550353)
That would be very obvious and immediately noticeable difference but you need enough FPS rendered (natively not with latency increasing frame generation) and a display that can actually do 240hz without becoming a smeary mess.

If you have this combination and you play with it for an hour and you go back to a locked 100hz Game you would never want to go back. It's rather annoying in that regard actually.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by oivey on Saturday October 11, 2025 @01:45PM (#45551102)
Even with frame generation it is incredibly obvious. The latency for sure is a downside, but 100 FPS vs 240 FPS is extremely evident to the human visual system.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by theshackleford on Saturday October 11, 2025 @06:13PM (#45553115)
> Is the difference between 100fps and 240fps noticeable though?

Yes.

> The OP said "somewhere between 60hz and 240hz" and I agree.

Plenty of us dont. A 240hz OLED still provides a signifacntly blurrier image in motion than my 20+ year old CRT.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by drougge on Sunday October 12, 2025 @07:07AM (#45557259)
Surely that 20+ year old CRT didn't run at more than 240Hz? Something other than framerate is at play here.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by theshackleford on Sunday October 12, 2025 @09:44AM (#45558193)
> Surely that 20+ year old CRT didn't run at more than 240Hz?

It didnt have too.

> Something other than framerate is at play here.

Yes, sample and hold motion blur, inherent to all modern display types commonly in use for the most part.

Even at 240hz, modern displays can not match CRT for motion quality.

https://blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Mawr on Saturday October 11, 2025 @03:20PM (#45551879)
Lower latency between your input and its results appearing on the screen is exactly what a fundamental benefit is.

The resolution part is even sillier - you literally get more information per frame at higher resolutions.

Yes, the law of diminishing returns still applies, but 720p@60hz is way below the optimum. I'd estimate 4k@120hz as the low end of optimal maybe? There's some variance w.r.t the application, a first person game is going to have different requirements from a movie, but either way 720p ain't it.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by dangus on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:10AM (#45549775)
But now you’re assuming the PC isn’t also getting more expensive.

If a console designed to break even is $1,000 then surely an equivalent PC hardware designed to be profitable without software sales revenue will be more expensive.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by greenavocado on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:47AM (#45550050)
You have to price it equivalent grams of gold to see the real price trend
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by epolanski on Saturday October 11, 2025 @07:54PM (#45553841)
Says who?

Economists use the consumer price index, which tracks a wide basket of goods and services.

Comparing console prices to a single good is nonsense, even if the good has 6000 of years of history, it's not a good comparison to a single good in a vacuum.

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:14AM (#45549803)
PCs do get cheaper over time though, except if there is another crypto boom, then we are all doomed.
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by tonyhart7 on Saturday October 11, 2025 @07:11PM (#45553545)
"PCs do get cheaper over time though"

pc get cheaper but the gpu isnt

Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by ZiiS on Monday October 13, 2025 @11:25AM (#45569385)
A GTX1050ti was $139 9 years ago. Getting a Ryzen 8700G instead of a 8700F gives you more and costs you $39 today!
Re:AMD and Sony's PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current gr... by tonyhart7 on Monday October 13, 2025 @06:58PM (#45574215)
no way it cost 39$ more also inflation exist