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Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by ra0x3 on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:12PM (#45521690)
Upvote because can someone explain to someone as dense as me, whether or not this is likely to make some likely AI bubble worse? Is this just how industry allocates capital?
Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by measurablefunc on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @07:43PM (#45521889)
The money is allocated by institutional investors. They buy the stock, the companies trade their more valuable stocks amongst themselves for various deals. If institutional investors stop investing then the flow of deals stops & the bubble pops. There is nowhere else the institutional investors could park their money other than tech so I don't think the bubble is going to pop any time soon. But infinite growth is obviously a logical & physical impossibility so eventually there will be a correction but whoever says they know exactly when that will happen is lying & they'd be better off buying lottery tickets to cash in on their ability to predict the future.
Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by wmf on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @09:09PM (#45522360)
These deals certainly make the bubble look larger because people are double-counting revenue. They also seem to be triggering extreme investor FOMO.
Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by petesergeant on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @10:05PM (#45522720)
> They also seem to be triggering extreme investor FOMO.

Bubble's only bad if you get out at the wrong time.

Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by itsn0tm3 on Thursday October 09, 2025 @02:23AM (#45524180)
Only for you as an individual, from an economic and societal perspective a bursting bubble is never good!
Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by christophilus on Thursday October 09, 2025 @08:34AM (#45526720)
It’s not the bursting that is bad. It’s the bubble that is bad. The bursting is unpleasant, but good.
Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by rhetocj23 on Thursday October 09, 2025 @07:26PM (#45534077)
Much like a boil.
Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by sailfast on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @10:06PM (#45522732)
Personally think this makes a tech bubble a contagion for other parts of the financial industry - especially if institutional investors take the "easy" trade that everyone is doing and add leverage to it.

Now once these folks don't get 800B per year in revenue and the money runs out, all of the banks go as well. But don't worry - they'll get bailed out with our money...

Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by N70Phone on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @10:18PM (#45522796)
Part of what's concerning here is that the deals are conditional. OpenAI must meet XYZ conditions before cash/stock/etc is transferred, and the conditions are pretty hard to meet.

The money between OpenAI, Nvidia, Oracle, AMD is not circulating. There is no cashflow, only future commitments that may (and quite likely will) collapse. Yet the stock market & media react as if it's a sure thing. Even in the criticisms of these deals, the hype is affirmed.

This is the same problem as Enron's accounting, minus the fraud. (No need for fraudulent accounting when people simply don't read the fine print.)

Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by MangoCoffee on Thursday October 09, 2025 @01:38AM (#45523930)
>AI bubble worse?

Is it worse than the dot-com bubble? I remember everyone and their mom who knew HTML could get hired, and there were way more companies that went IPO during the dot-com bubble, like theglobe.com.

AI is a bubble, but is it worse than the dot-com bubble or the real estate bubble in 2008?

Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by lmm on Thursday October 09, 2025 @04:32AM (#45525029)
> Is it worse than the dot-com bubble? I remember everyone and their mom who knew HTML could get hired, and there were way more companies that went IPO during the dot-com bubble, like theglobe.com.

IDK, the number of companies and employees might be smaller, but the valuations and comp packages are so much bigger that I suspect there's more money in the bubble this time around, just a bit less spread out.

Re:OpenAI, Nvidia Fuel $1T AI Market with Web of Circular Deals by rchaud on Thursday October 09, 2025 @04:09PM (#45532456)
The dotcom bubble had investor capital going towards hiring tens of thousands of people. The AI bubble has capital going towards buying hardware, signing a handful of researchers on 9-figure deals and settling lawsuits for IP theft.