Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by close04 on Monday October 13, 2025 @03:11AM
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The print is a different picture from the one in the submitted article. That looks like it could be a different angle (90deg) of the bird on the same burnt stump.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by freetime2 on Sunday October 12, 2025 @06:11PM
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That winning photograph with the bird in front of the solar eclipse is really incredible. I wasn't sure if it was real or not (some photography competitions will allow composites stitched together in photoshop).
But the photographer uploaded a video on YouTube of him taking the photo, and just looking at the environment (he's in a small boat off the coast of Mexico) you can see it really did require a remarkable amount of planning. And I think it is indeed a real photograph.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by regera on Sunday October 12, 2025 @06:17PM
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Thanks for sharing, can't imagine how bird photographers devote weeks to plan for a single shot - may seem extreme. Being in the right location at the right time is the key. Wow!
This skill is often underrated. World is moving faster than ever. Another underrated skill is quick-decision making.
"With the exception of HDR, stitched panoramas, focus stacking, and in-camera multiple exposures, composited images or AI-generated images are not permitted in any category. Sky swapping or removal of objects through cloning, for example, is not permitted."
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by eru on Monday October 13, 2025 @05:22AM
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> As an added plus: nobody cares how the photographer took the shot. On one leg, in a boat before eaten by a shark, whilst taking a dump, on top of an elephant, whatever. The photo must speak for itself. Just like you check a painting and if you like it at first sight, if it talks to you, then that's a good painting by your standards. So check the painting, do not read any added text. If it's good, it's good. If you need description, then it's not a good shot.
Some people connect with the history and context of a piece.
There's a reason the real Mona Lisa is worth considerably more than even the most faithful reproduction.
Just to be clear: I'm not saying that _you_ have to care about context. Nor that caring about context is good (or bad). I'm just saying that many people do care about context.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by lofaszvanitt on Monday October 13, 2025 @06:17AM
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People nowadays do not have any means to connect with whatever. They see a picture somewhere and they only see the picture, and maybe the name of the artist. So the piece has to talk for itself.
You can be sure people never actually see the original Mona Lisa, or any other heavily marketed artwork. And in terms of pricing. It's all a game.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by eru on Thursday October 16, 2025 @09:41PM
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That's an interesting question!
I believe it's the original. But it would be fun to think about an (almost) perfect copy hanging there.
For a case in point: the British museum has the original Rosetta stone. Complete with long queues and keeping visitors at a respectable distance.
In the same building, the British museum also has a very good copy of the Rosetta stone. That copy just stands there without any case around it, you can just go and touch it.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by ghaff on Monday October 13, 2025 @10:32AM
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It's not even a new thing. I remember an article, in Outside maybe, about the controversy around how many photos in the wildlife/landscape space were heavily post-processed in various way.
I had a friend who prided himself in his (very good) nature photography and he got quite discouraged with respect to nature photography contests when so many people weren't stopped taking photos "out of the camera."
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by baxtr on Monday October 13, 2025 @05:25AM
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Stunning image.
Although, having experienced a solar eclipse and the associated hysteria around protective glasses, I wonder how risky it was for his eyesight to look through a magnifying lens.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by pgalvin on Monday October 13, 2025 @09:36AM
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It looks like he is using an EOS R5, in the video he uploaded of him taking the photo. This is a mirrorless camera (very common nowadays) so the viewfinder is merely an LED screen with a live video.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by geeunits on Sunday October 12, 2025 @07:34PM
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I find photographers have a particular knack of seeing 'just slightly into the future'. Almost like the eyes are constantly analysing environmental studies and able to form a sixth sense for patterns and predictability. Most notable would be Henri Cartier-Bresson who coined much of the concepts of 'the decisive moment'
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by herval on Sunday October 12, 2025 @07:59PM
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Bresson is from a time where you had 38 shots maximum, before you need to reload your camera. It takes an immense amount of attention, but also you’re statistically unlikely to take the kind of photo that you can get today (eg most of these bird images).
My current camera takes 20 photos per second sustained AND comes with a pre-buffer that captures 2s of images before you press the trigger. It’s wild!
(I don’t take photos anywhere near Bresson’s but still, it helps)
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by ghaff on Monday October 13, 2025 @08:37AM
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I don't do much sports or concert photography these days--or indeed a lot of photography outside of my iPhone--but I observe that while I still have some photos from film days that I think are pretty decent, being able to just shoot thousands of photos of some event helps to get the few keepers.
Getting expressions/the way people are aligned/etc. is just so unpredictable that, even if you're in the a reasonable location to shoot and the light is generally good, high-speed shooting and maybe thousands of frames helps to beat a few rolls of film. Even pros with motor drives were relatively constrained.
As others have observed though, there's also planning and just spending the time. The favorite photo I've taken in Death Valley over many visits is a fairly standard location/view but the sky is just really unusual for the area. I suppose these days (or really at the time given enough skill and imagination), I could just have done a photo-composite.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by EvanAnderson on Sunday October 12, 2025 @07:47PM
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I'm sure there's a talent to it, but practice helps a ton. I'm certainly not comparing myself to Cartier-Bresson, but in the very specific type of photography I regularly shoot (youth sports) you learn the rhythm and patterns and what to look out for. I'd imagine street or wildlife photography is much the same. Patience, practice, and accepting that 99% of the picture you make will be crap.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by technothrasher on Sunday October 12, 2025 @08:32PM
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I’m not anything but an enthusiastic hack, but the 99% rings true. I’ve made a goal for myself to get just one photo I’m happy with of as many cat species in the wild as I can. It’s taken me about ten thousand shots to cross off lion, cheetah, and leopard. Going to shoot bobcats in California for four days in a couple months, and I suspect I’ll get lots of interesting photos, but I’ll be very lucky to get “the shot”.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by pamelafox on Monday October 13, 2025 @02:57AM
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Ooo bobcats! I live in the bay area near Tilden Park, and I spent a while on iNaturalist trying to figure out where the bobcats hang out, as my 6 year old is very interested in wild cats. I realized sadly that bobcats are usually out at morning/evening, when we are not in the parks. Still used the bobcat stalking as an excuse to take a walk in Tilden today though.
What's your approach to finding the bobcat locations for your shot?
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by technothrasher on Monday October 13, 2025 @08:41AM
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I'm going up to Point Reyes with a guide and a tracker, so that I'll at least have a pretty good chance of seeing the cats. Getting good shots is on me though!
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by keiferski on Monday October 13, 2025 @04:18AM
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I've done a lot of street photography, and yeah I think the fundamental skill is scanning the environment, then predicting what will happen in order to snap the perfect shot. For example, you might see a fence making an interesting shadow, then figure out how to position yourself such that passers-by fit into the scene.
In practice, you end up standing around and waiting a lot. Moving quickly through a city is almost guaranteed to result in missing some great shots. (Saying this from experience.)
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by sohkamyung on Monday October 13, 2025 @08:26AM
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I take wildlife shots but mainly for the record, which I post on iNaturalist. On occasion, I do need to see 'slightly into the future' for some shots, like predicting where birds and flying insects might be when I'm tracking them for shots. (This can be hard for pollinating insects flying from flower to flower.)
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by jacquesm on Monday October 13, 2025 @01:50AM
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My BIL is a wildlife photographer. One day he went into his favorite area to photograph the local Bison. He was as quiet as he could be moved into the terrain slowly and stopped every few minutes so as not to spook the animals. Only to be suddenly berated angrily that he was spoiling the shot... another, far more experienced wildlife photographer had been lying in wait there for days knowing the bison would have to head his way. In spite of that bad introduction they became fast friends. Wołkow has since died, he was one of a kind. I spent a night with him just looking at some of his slides, he found so much beauty.
Re:Bird Photographer of the Year Gives a Lesson in Planning ...
by jacquesm on Monday October 13, 2025 @05:50AM
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I can assure you that the words that Wołkow spoke were, while colorful, definitely not poetry ;)
He'd been covered by a pile of leaves, had had bugs crawling all over him and then saw his perfect shot ruined. His talent for photography was apparently absolutely matched by his talent for the use of the Polish language.
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by SwtCyber on Monday October 13, 2025 @05:11AM
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That frigatebird eclipse shot? That's not just a lucky moment, it's a literal alignment of science, nature, and patience. You don't get that without obsession-level planning and deep respect for the subject
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by Razengan on Monday October 13, 2025 @04:13PM
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I love birds, birds are awesome, intelligent, and prime candidates for taking over the planet after primates and cephalopods, but they can be cruel motherfuckers (don't watch birds eating other birds on YouTube), just like humans I guess.
It's amazing that you can just see something that you like and then order it.
But the photographer uploaded a video on YouTube of him taking the photo, and just looking at the environment (he's in a small boat off the coast of Mexico) you can see it really did require a remarkable amount of planning. And I think it is indeed a real photograph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voTNPeHR7Jc
This skill is often underrated. World is moving faster than ever. Another underrated skill is quick-decision making.
https://www.birdpoty.com/rules
"With the exception of HDR, stitched panoramas, focus stacking, and in-camera multiple exposures, composited images or AI-generated images are not permitted in any category. Sky swapping or removal of objects through cloning, for example, is not permitted."
Some people connect with the history and context of a piece.
There's a reason the real Mona Lisa is worth considerably more than even the most faithful reproduction.
Just to be clear: I'm not saying that _you_ have to care about context. Nor that caring about context is good (or bad). I'm just saying that many people do care about context.
You can be sure people never actually see the original Mona Lisa, or any other heavily marketed artwork. And in terms of pricing. It's all a game.
Long queues in the Louvre disagree.
I believe it's the original. But it would be fun to think about an (almost) perfect copy hanging there.
For a case in point: the British museum has the original Rosetta stone. Complete with long queues and keeping visitors at a respectable distance.
In the same building, the British museum also has a very good copy of the Rosetta stone. That copy just stands there without any case around it, you can just go and touch it.
I had a friend who prided himself in his (very good) nature photography and he got quite discouraged with respect to nature photography contests when so many people weren't stopped taking photos "out of the camera."
Although, having experienced a solar eclipse and the associated hysteria around protective glasses, I wonder how risky it was for his eyesight to look through a magnifying lens.
My current camera takes 20 photos per second sustained AND comes with a pre-buffer that captures 2s of images before you press the trigger. It’s wild!
(I don’t take photos anywhere near Bresson’s but still, it helps)
Getting expressions/the way people are aligned/etc. is just so unpredictable that, even if you're in the a reasonable location to shoot and the light is generally good, high-speed shooting and maybe thousands of frames helps to beat a few rolls of film. Even pros with motor drives were relatively constrained.
As others have observed though, there's also planning and just spending the time. The favorite photo I've taken in Death Valley over many visits is a fairly standard location/view but the sky is just really unusual for the area. I suppose these days (or really at the time given enough skill and imagination), I could just have done a photo-composite.
https://imgur.com/9YkWlRf
What's your approach to finding the bobcat locations for your shot?
In practice, you end up standing around and waiting a lot. Moving quickly through a city is almost guaranteed to result in missing some great shots. (Saying this from experience.)
He and another photographer recently did a project to photograph a bird in front of erupting volcano. I’m really looking forward to seeing that one.
He'd been covered by a pile of leaves, had had bugs crawling all over him and then saw his perfect shot ruined. His talent for photography was apparently absolutely matched by his talent for the use of the Polish language.
(pun only possible in English)
(joke only works in UK slang)