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Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by zdragnar on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:05PM (#45457121)
What is OpenAI's moat? There's plenty of competitors running their own models and tools. Sure, they have the ChatGPT name, but I don't see them massively out-competing the entire market unless the future model changes drastically improve over the 3->4->5 trajectory.
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by bobby_mcbrown on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:29PM (#45457281)
It's Sam.

From what I understand he was the only one crazy enough to demand hundreds of GPUs for months to get ChatGPT going. Which at the time sounded crazy.

So yeah Sam is the guy with the guts and vision to stay ahead.

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by shermantanktop on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:43PM (#45457401)
Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

You might see Sam as a Midas who can turn anything into gold. But history shows that very few people sustain that pattern.

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by exasperaited on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:47PM (#45457427)
The shitcoin-in-return-for-your-iris-scans guy?
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by bix6 on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:35PM (#45457804)
Ignoring Sutskever much?
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by croes on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:34PM (#45457338)
OpenAI isn't ahead
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by redman25 on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:47PM (#45457425)
It is in terms of users. There's a lot of sticking power to "the thing you already know and use".
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by Keyframe on Thursday October 02, 2025 @10:43PM (#45458336)
Probably consumers. Enterprise is Anthropic, double ahead: https://menlovc.com/perspective/2025-mid-year-llm-market-upd...

note that menlo is invested in anthropic, but still..

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by no_wizard on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:25PM (#45457719)
Unless there is little friction in switching. I don’t feel any of the LLM products have a sticky factor as of yet, as far as viewing it from a consumer lens
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by bcrl on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:29PM (#45457285)
This! The cost of training models inevitably goes down over time as FLOPS/$ and PB/$ increases relentlessly thanks to the exponential gains of Moore's law. Eventually we will end up with laptops and phones being Good Enough to run models locally. Once that happens, any competitor in the space that decides to actively support running locally will have operating costs that are a mere fraction of OpenAI's current business.

The pop of this bubble is going to be painful for a lot of people. Being too early to a market is just as bad as being too late, especially for something that can become a commodity due to a lack of moat.

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by muskyFelon on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:12PM (#45457614)
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by bcrl on Friday October 03, 2025 @06:47AM (#45461363)
The number of transistors per unit area is still increasing, it's just a little slower than it was and more expensive than it was.

And there are innovations that will continue the scaling that Moore's law predicts. Take die stacking as an example. Even Intel had internal studies 20 years ago that showed there are significant performance and power improvements to be had in CPU cores by using 2 layers of transistors. AMD's X3D CPUs are now using technology that can stack extra dies onto a base die, but they're using it in the most basic of ways (only for cache). Going beyond cache to logic, die stacking allows reductions of wire length because more transisters with more layers of metal fit in a smaller space. That in turn improves performance and reduces power consumption.

The semiconductor industry isn't out of tricks just yet. There are still plenty of improvements coming in the next decade, and those improvements will benefit AI workloads far more than traditional CPUs.

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by aurareturn on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:52PM (#45457470)
You just said that everyone will be able to run a powerful AI locally and then you said this would lead to a pop of the bubble.

Well, which is it? That AI is going to have huge demands for chips that it is going to get much bigger or is the bubble going to pop? You can’t have both.

My opinion is that local LLMs will do a bulk of the low value interference such as your personal life mundane tasks. But cloud AI will be reserved for work and for advanced research purposes.

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by bcrl on Friday October 03, 2025 @06:36AM (#45461294)
Just because a bubble pops on the economic front doesn't mean the sector goes away. Pets.com went bust a mere 10 months after going public, yet we're buying all kinds of products online in 2025 that we weren't in 2000. A bubble popping is about the disconnect between the forward looking assumptions about profitability by the early adopters in the space versus the actual returns once the speculation settles down and is replaced by hard data.
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by aurareturn on Sunday October 05, 2025 @07:45AM (#45480806)
If it pops and then people underestimated the impact of the technology even at the peak, was it really a bubble?
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by otabdeveloper4 on Friday October 03, 2025 @01:39AM (#45459385)
> increases relentlessly thanks to the exponential gains of Moore's law

Moore's so-called "law" hasn't been true for years.

Chinese AI defeated American companies because they spent effort to optimize the software.

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by fzzzy on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:30PM (#45457294)
brand recognition
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by nojs on Thursday October 02, 2025 @08:44PM (#45457418)
It feels similar to Google to me - what is (was) their moat? Basically slightly better results and strong brand recognition. In the later days maybe privileged data access. But why does nobody use Bing?
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by zdragnar on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:54PM (#45457977)
Google got a massive leg up on the rest be having a better service. When Bing first came out, I was not impressed with what I got, and never really bothered going back to it.

Search quality isn't what it used to be, but the inertia is still paying dividends. That same inertia also applied to Google ads.

I'm not nearly so convinced OpenAI has the same leg up with ChatGPT. ChatGPT hasn't become a verb quite like google or Kleenex, and it isn't an indispensable part of a product.

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by typpilol on Thursday October 02, 2025 @10:15PM (#45458138)
I actually find bing better now for more technical searches.

Most technical Google searches end up at win fourms or official Microsoft support site which is basically just telling you that running sfc scannow for everything is the fix.

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by 6031769 on Friday October 03, 2025 @04:49AM (#45460610)
If you are ending up at win forums or Microsoft's support site then the chances are that you were searching for something Microsofty in the first place. And if that's the case then it's hardly surprising that Microsoft's own search engine is better for promoting Microsoft-related responses than any other.

Try searching for something technical which isn't MS-specific. That should be a more neutral test.

Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by typpilol on Friday October 03, 2025 @07:14PM (#45468876)
You're not wrong. I've been doing all of windows server (eww) work lately
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by HDThoreaun on Friday October 03, 2025 @12:04AM (#45458843)
google's moat is a combination of it being free and either being equal to or outright better than competitors
Re:OpenAI's H1 2025: $4.3B in income, $13.5B in loss by balder1991 on Thursday October 02, 2025 @10:06PM (#45458082)
Google has always been much better than the competition. Even today with their enshittification, competitors still aren’t as good.

The only thing that has changed that status quo is the rise of audiovisual media and sites closing up so that Google can’t index them, which means web search lost a lot of relevance.