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Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by neutronicus on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:12PM (#4533236)
Personally, I just don't like dishwashers. They don't seem to save any work - I still basically have to clean the dishes in order to precondition them for the dishwasher, and now they create this monumental chore (put everyone's dishes away) that all the dishwasher users are constantly trying to avoid and foist off on the other dishwasher users. No, thank you.
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by JoeAltmaier on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:41PM (#4533394)
Been there; done that. And once I bought a dishwasher, I lost all motivation to do it by hand.

Scraping off stuck stuff, the whole process of cleaning the sink, plugging it and filling it with water, sorting dishes by category (do the glasses first! Pots last!), running out of room to put the dry dishes so dry hands and put some away, then back to washing.

Its not unpleasant, but just lots of work and the dishwasher does a decent job with 60 seconds of effort (put dry clean dishes away; rack dirty dishes, push a button). I do it before leaving for work.

Of course, now with the energy-star hoax I'm starting to regret buying a new dishwasher, but that's another discussion.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by aasarava on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:59PM (#4533524)
What do you mean by "the energy-star hoax"? (Curious.)
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by JoeAltmaier on Monday September 17, 2012 @01:03PM (#4533546)
To qualify for 'Energy Star' in the US, you have to use 10% less energy/resources (water) as last year. No standard; no other goal.

Result: clothes washers that don't wash (my washer at least has a button to override Energy Star, obliquely named Extra Rinse or Heavy Duty), dishwashers that don't get dishes clean; water heaters that deliver luke-warm water.

The goal cannot have been "Use less energy, even if it means sucking". The goal was actually "Get a sticker on your product, for marketing reasons." Thus, a hoax.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by luser001 on Monday September 17, 2012 @01:28PM (#4533683)
What clothes washer are you talking about? Do you have a top-load washer? Those are notorious water wasters that probably can't wash well without huge amounts of water.

As a counter point, I have a front-load 2011 Samsung washer and dryer. I even got some money from the Big Evil Government water district for the washer and IIRC from the Big Evil Power Company for the dryer.

I am 200% satisfied with the wash and drying quality. It will take quite a bit to convince me that energy efficiency requirements are causing problems.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by thetrb on Monday September 17, 2012 @05:25PM (#4534970)
Maybe you're lucky then. I have a similar issue as OP: I have a new dryer from LG that was rated very high by consumer reports but even at the "optimum dry" setting the clothes still stay wet and I often have to start a second drying cycle once the first one completes.

I highly doubt that running through 2 cycles saves energy compared to doing it right the first time.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by luser001 on Monday September 17, 2012 @06:56PM (#4535337)
Sorry to hear about your experience.

Kinda like a dumb tech support q.: you're cleaning out the lint filter before each use, right? :)

Second: are you sure it's your dryer? Maybe the washer isn't spinning them as dry as they need to be. Try using a washer cycle that spins harder/longer. Did you replace only the dryer w/o replacing the washer.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by JoeAltmaier on Monday September 17, 2012 @11:22PM (#4536134)
Everybody askes that. Yes, I know how to operator a dryer too. And mine leaves the clothes wet too. After a diligent effort to make the damn things work, they still suck.
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by roedog on Tuesday September 18, 2012 @08:35PM (#4541389)
I had this problem. Then we cleaned out ducts from the dryer to the exhaust vent on the outside of the house.

The duct was jammed full of lint. So, no air was flowing out. The dryer had a safety interlock that disabled the heater. This is why the clothes took so long to dry. It is also why we didn't start a fire and burn down the house.

Now we clean the ducts every 18 months and the dryer works great.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by JoeAltmaier on Monday September 17, 2012 @02:12PM (#4533942)
Ok, I won't spend effort trying to convince you. Good luck with that washer; not sure if it was Energy Star since you didn't mention it (1 of 3 2011 Samsung frontloaders was EnergyStar).

The guy at the applicance store was completely sympathetic; he hears it all the time. The washers are a widespread disappointment.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by luser001 on Monday September 17, 2012 @03:23PM (#4534353)
Yes, Energy Star rated. I literally got money from the water and power company for buying it.
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by eli on Monday September 17, 2012 @02:46PM (#4534152)
You larger point may hold, but I'm pretty sure Energy Star has fixed standards. It's not simply that your product most do better than its 2011 version.
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by JoeAltmaier on Monday September 17, 2012 @03:20PM (#4534332)
The rating (energystar.gov) changes as the federal specification changes, and I cannot quickly find the history of that spec. They do state that its recalculated when a 50% market share of EnergyStar rated products exists.

So it is likely to change over time.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by hga on Friday September 21, 2012 @09:24AM (#4553612)
The goal was actually "Get a sticker on your product, for marketing reasons."

It's worse than that, companies save on Federal taxes by making these progressively worse appliances. Whirlpool is infamous for not just paying no taxes but getting "tax benefits" (credits they can carry forward) for 2008-10.

And my GE washer rations hot water quite fiercely. If there was enough commonality in the various model's firmware I'd sure like to join a group that reprograms them in a sane way.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by ollysb on Monday September 17, 2012 @08:12PM (#4535573)
It seems to be a feature of kitchens in Spain that the cupboards for crockery double as drying racks. The shelves are racks and the cupboards have no bottom so that the water simply falls onto the counter. My cupboard is right next to the sink as well so that whole washing process is very efficient.
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by jarek on Tuesday September 18, 2012 @12:26AM (#4536323)
This is apparently a thing in Scandinavia as well. I'm a little jealous. (I do my dishes by hand and use the dishwasher as a passive drying rack. Well, at least I'm using tools for one relatively simple purpose only.)
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by emddudley on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:34PM (#4533347)
My dishwasher does not require any rinsing. It has a built-in grinder for larger food particles that get washed off.
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by efa on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:56PM (#4533496)
My dishwasher also cleans beautifully with no rinsing (thought I usually rinse the big particles). Now drying is another thing all together. I usually have to hand dry dishes (especially plastic) when I take them out before putting them away.
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by simon on Monday September 17, 2012 @03:23PM (#4534352)
We get around that by opening the dishwasher a few inches as soon as it's finished its cycle. That way the steam escapes, and the heat in the unit finishes drying the dishes. Most of the water you see on the contents is steam that has re-condensed onto everything.

Hope this helps. IIRC I saw an article on Popular Mechanics about this a few years ago and tried it and it works.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by tripzilch on Tuesday September 18, 2012 @07:26PM (#4541133)
I do this too. I kinda always thought it's just part of how you operate a dishwasher :) First time I opened it right after its cycle, a huge cloud escapes, so it figures that otherwise it would condense, no?

Another tip then, I don't just open it a few inches but all the way and pull out both racks. That way all the steam escapes within a few seconds and you can close up the dishwasher again. You do need a bit of ventilation but I just open my balcony door. And then, there's a few cups or glasses that have concave bottoms so they gather a bit of water. If you blow hard on them while everything is still hot, the drops will fly somewhere (it's just water), and those glasses will become fully dry thanks to the last bits of heat.

Another tip. If you wrap it up real good so no soap can get to it, you can easily cook a piece of salmon in your dishwasher. It's not a great way (cooks too hot, for too long), but it does work and that's awesome.

Another tip. If you got a compartment for a "shining agent", you can put a mix of white vinegar and ethanol in it. It works. Both of the substances easily evaporate in the heat so you won't get a vinegar smell or anything (unless you use balsamic--good luck with that). An expensive commercial shining agent might work even better, I never tried them.

Yet another tip. Maybe you have a built-in water-softener whose ion-exchanger needs recharging by pouring dishwasher salt into another compartment. The only difference between table salt and this stuff is that the granules are big so it dissolves slower. So, buy big granules table salt instead (the stuff used in table salt grinders), which is much cheaper.

Another other tip. You'll probably still do some cleaning by hand, when you need a specific utensil or something. If you use a plastic dishwasher brush, you can put that one in the dishwasher as well to clean it. I'm unsure why, but I find brushes to last a lot longer when I occasionally clean them in the dishwasher.

If you can trust your dishwasher to not leave weird residue on your stuff, you can also use this method to clean plastic hair-combs every once in a while.

A dishwasher really is a magical device. You can even put some lines of source code in the cutlery rack, and they'll come out with less bugs. True fact.

Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by efa on Monday September 17, 2012 @03:34PM (#4534407)
Thanks, I'll give that a try!
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by thechut on Monday September 17, 2012 @03:51PM (#4534507)
How about giving the brand and model a plug then?
Re:Everything's broken and nobody's upset by foobarqux on Tuesday September 18, 2012 @10:49AM (#4538344)
Doesn't have a built-in grinder (whatever that is) but Fisher-Paykel dishwashers actually work. Before using a Fisher-Paykel I had same belief as OP: That dishwasher's just didn't work. Every dish washer I had used before was a piece of shit; ineffective and flimsy.

F&P is built sturdy (e.g. feel difference in the rack). Unit is built as two drawers that are operated separately, so you can start the washer with smaller loads. No multi-level racks. Has 3-4 duration-of-wash settings (up to 2+ hours), but for normal dishes I never had to use anything but fast (20 min).

They are pricey but in my opinion you should get a similar quality dishwasher or not get a dishwasher at all.

http://www.fisherpaykel.com/product/dishwashing/ Warning: website is terribly designed