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Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by gruez on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @08:46PM (#45283441)
> “The MAGA Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” Kimmel said.

Off topic, but has there been convincing evidence that the suspect is right wing/MAGA, as Kimmel implied? I've seen some posts on reddit to this effect, but they're far from convincing.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by baobun on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @11:53PM (#45285161)
There is no such implication there.
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by gruez on Thursday September 18, 2025 @06:56PM (#45296030)
There is, despite the fact that a strict reading would turn up no such implication. However taking into account the phrasing and the general zeitgeist on reddit (and similar left-leaning circles), it's pretty obvious what he was trying to do. Imagine you read a passage that said:

>The sugar industry desperately trying to characterize the obesity crisis as being caused by anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it

what would your conclusion be? That sugar isn't a contributing factor to obesity?

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Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by DangitBobby on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @09:21PM (#45283752)
I'm not seeing much evidence of his political leaning (other than his choice of target, of course). Can you share some of this evidence?
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by burnt-resistor on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @11:40PM (#45285059)
There is little evidence for right or left ideological adherence, but there is for independent accelerationist blackpill from the memetic dog whistles. Accelerationists are essentially terrorists who want credit for mass destruction, collapse, omnicide, and suicide.
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by ars on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @11:14PM (#45284833)
Only thing I've seen is that he was dating a trans M-T-F person, and that person was very cooperative with police. Although it makes you wonder about his gay comment engraved on the bullet.

It's certainly not conclusive.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by theossuary on Thursday September 18, 2025 @10:16AM (#45290014)
Wtf is a trans mtf? Do you mean a trans woman?
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by happytoexplain on Thursday September 18, 2025 @10:26AM (#45290129)
Yes, "MTF" means "male to female".
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by theossuary on Thursday September 18, 2025 @02:18PM (#45293091)
If you mean trans woman, maybe just say trans woman? No need for weird acronyms
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by happytoexplain on Thursday September 18, 2025 @02:22PM (#45293153)
I am not the original commenter - though "mtf" is quite common, I believe. Maybe I am in a bubble.
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by DangitBobby on Thursday September 18, 2025 @03:07PM (#45293688)
No, it's quite common and less confusing than "Trans Woman" because some people not well versed in these topics will be confused by only describing the final gender.
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Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by theossuary on Thursday September 18, 2025 @05:53PM (#45295476)
People who use MTF sound like this weirdo, just fyi

So if that's your goal, I guess keep doing it

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by qzjxk on Thursday September 18, 2025 @06:01PM (#45295549)
Yes it's better to just call them men, because that's what they are.

The term "mtf" is just as incorrect, because none of these males are becoming female, nor is it even possible for most species - including humans and other mammals.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by DangitBobby on Thursday September 18, 2025 @11:52PM (#45297778)
Your assertions of bigotry for terms you personally don't like are going to fall on deaf ears.
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by theossuary on Monday September 22, 2025 @11:33AM (#45334876)
I dunno, I said it's used a lot by bigots, then a bigot shows up and agrees with me (now flagged). If that isn't a sign a term isn't great, I don't know what is?
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by happytoexplain on Monday September 22, 2025 @01:35PM (#45336805)
Judging yourself by how unscrupulous people react to you is a common pitfall - it poisons your perception of others and blinds you to yourself.

Tangentially: I was confused by the usage of the ambiguous word, "weird", as shorthand for "bigoted". I thought you were literally asking what "mtf" meant.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by qzjxk on Tuesday September 23, 2025 @08:07AM (#45345820)
It's quite amusing to be called a bigot simply for pointing out how sexist it is to redefine women for the sole purpose of favoring a group of men.
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by throwmeaway222 on Thursday September 18, 2025 @12:38AM (#45285465)
What is your honest belief. All of the things below are in the news, you can copy and paste any of these quotes to back that up.

> "Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left — becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented," the court documents say.

> "She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.

> Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.

> Rounds in the rifle were allegedly etched with messages like "Hey Fascist! Catch!" and lyrics of the anti-Nazi and anti-Fascist Italian folk song Bella Ciao.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by myvoiceismypass on Thursday September 18, 2025 @03:25AM (#45286609)
He was allegedly chronically online and all the engraved messages were memes / related to his gaming:

https://gizmodo.com/charlie-kirks-alleged-killer-wrote-meme-...

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by throwmeaway222 on Friday September 19, 2025 @12:53AM (#45298077)
Yeah, Gaming is a left and right thing. I grew up leftist and was a gamer the entire time. Memes are not a left or a right thing at all.
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by MacsHeadroom on Thursday September 18, 2025 @06:31AM (#45287934)
From the murderer's text messages:

> Roommate: Why?

> Robinson: Why did I do it?

> Roommate: Yeah

> Robinson: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.

Besides everyone around him testifying that he'd been left-wing ever since dropping out of college, his admission that he found Charlie's relatively moderate speech "hateful" strongly suggests the murderer was quite far to the left.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by LeafItAlone on Thursday September 18, 2025 @07:24AM (#45288274)
> his admission that he found Charlie's relatively moderate speech "hateful" strongly suggests the murderer was quite far to the left

Ridiculous conclusion. Empathetic Right Wing people can also have found his speech hateful. Have you actually listened to any of it?

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by throwmeaway222 on Friday September 19, 2025 @12:48AM (#45298048)
What is your honest belief. All of the things below are in the news, you can copy and paste any of these quotes to back that up.

> "Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left — becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented," the court documents say.

> "She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.

> Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.

> Rounds in the rifle were allegedly etched with messages like "Hey Fascist! Catch!" and lyrics of the anti-Nazi and anti-Fascist Italian folk song Bella Ciao.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by suzdude on Thursday September 18, 2025 @10:06AM (#45289882)
Yet, out of the small fraction of people who had heard of Mr. Kirk, it was Mr. Robinson, who was raised by republicans, in a MAGA household who resorted to violence.
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by throwmeaway222 on Friday September 19, 2025 @12:48AM (#45298045)
Like Luigi right?
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by throwmeaway222 on Friday September 19, 2025 @12:48AM (#45298047)
What is your honest belief. All of the things below are in the news, you can copy and paste any of these quotes to back that up.

> "Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left — becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented," the court documents say.

> "She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.

> Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.

> Rounds in the rifle were allegedly etched with messages like "Hey Fascist! Catch!" and lyrics of the anti-Nazi and anti-Fascist Italian folk song Bella Ciao.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by suzdude on Friday September 19, 2025 @01:03AM (#45298128)
If you want to allow sweeping generalizations:

"Left wing" kids are not brought up being taught violence is an acceptable solution to life's problems, or for the rage they may feel against others. That could be why there is an order of magnitude fewer deaths from "left wing" extremism compared to "right wing" extremism according to the DOJ [0].

"Left wing" kids are not given as easy access to, or training with, firearms. Conservatives, especially rural, are [1].

And please do not pretend that knowing, loving, or being a trans person prohibits one from holding conservative view points, that's rather hateful [2].

[0] https://www.scribd.com/document/918595498/Wayback-Machine-NI... [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts... [2] https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-caitlyn-jenner-sophia-...

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by entropicdrifter on Thursday September 18, 2025 @01:01PM (#45292109)
Ah yes, a relatively moderate white supremacist who believes gay people should be executed and children should be forced to watch public executions. Just about as moderate as the Taliban
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by throwmeaway222 on Friday September 19, 2025 @12:48AM (#45298049)
What is your honest belief. All of the things below are in the news, you can copy and paste any of these quotes to back that up.

> "Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left — becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented," the court documents say.

> "She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.

> Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.

> Rounds in the rifle were allegedly etched with messages like "Hey Fascist! Catch!" and lyrics of the anti-Nazi and anti-Fascist Italian folk song Bella Ciao.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by entropicdrifter on Friday September 19, 2025 @12:00PM (#45303163)
I commented on Kirk's stance, not the shooter's. I don't endorse political violence.

I just take umbrage with the framing of Charlie Kirk as a moderate. He was a white supremacist. He believed that women shouldn't have the right to vote. He endorsed the state-sponsored execution of LGBTQ+ individuals.

These aren't moderate positions in the modern day, they're the positions of a religious extremist.

Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by throwmeaway222 on Friday September 19, 2025 @12:55PM (#45303838)
These are wild mischaracterizations of Kirk. You have a video of him saying any of that? Most of you lefty people are getting clips from Destiny that are clipped to show a wildly unfair characterization.
Re:ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel's show 'indefinitely' after remark... by entropicdrifter on Wednesday September 24, 2025 @10:51AM (#45361241)
I'd feel a lot more inclined to engage with you on this if your first response wasn't a complete non sequitur that leads me to believe you've been engaging in bad faith from the jump.