How was it "Palestinian land"? It's pretty racist to assert that land can only belong to a certain group of people. Is Britain "white land"?

It was literally Palestinian land. European Zionists invaded and encouraged Arab Jewish mass immigration. The founding texts of Zionism, the Balfour Declaration and Nakba are all very well documented.

> European Zionists invaded

Invaded what state? Mandatory Palestine? It sounds like you're just referring to (mostly legal) Jewish immigration. Would you apply the same label to Arab immigrants such as Arafat, or is it only an invasion when Jews immigrate?

I’m talking about Nakba.

The nakba happened after seven Arab armies invaded the Jewish state. Not after Jews invaded any Arab state.

Typical Zionist lies:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Which of these statements do you consider a lie:

  - The nakba happened in 1947. 
  - Arab armies invaded the Jewish state in 1947.
  - Jews did not invade any Arab state in 1947.
  - The Arab armies invaded the Jewish state in 1947.

  > It was literally Palestinian land.

When? So far as I know there has never been a Palestinian state, nor any independent Arab state, in the Holy Land.

  > European Zionists invaded and encouraged Arab Jewish mass immigration.

It was the Ottomans, yearning for tax money after losing a war to the Prussians, who in 1854 changed the tax laws to encourage immigration of all faiths to the holy land. Jerusalem was Jewish majority decades before British ever stepped foot on Holy Land soil.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerus...

Jewish migration only became illegal in the Holy Land in 1936, when the Brits specifically made Jewish immigration illegal in response to the big Arab riot that year. Do you remember all the fuss a few years ago when Trump suggested that Muslims should not migrate to the United States? Would not a similar response be warranted for targeting Jewish migration?

  > The founding texts of Zionism, the Balfour Declaration and Nakba are all very well documented.

I do agree that the circumstances surrounding the founding of the state of Israel are very well documented. If you have something that contradicts what I've stated, I'd love to read it.

There’s not even an identity called “Palestinian”, let alone “Palestinian land”. They’re just Islamic Arabs, who have rebranded themselves in recent times to make a claim to the region, since at some point some people started calling the whole region “Palestine”. But they’re actually outsiders. Jewish people’s ancestors occupied the entire region (not just the modern state of Israel but a broader area) a long time ago, long before Islam was invented (7th century). This is obvious given that there are Jewish ruins in places like Jerusalem dating back to the BC era.

And yet here we are, with a fundamentalist Islamic population in Gaza, which elected a genocidal party into power, claiming they are now this new invented group of pepole. And to be clear - they are explicitly genocidal, with intent spelled out clearly in the Hamas charters.

This type of racist and fictional rhetoric has no place in modern society. You’re literally trying to erase the identity of the same people you’re committing genocide against.

Says the person who casually supports erasing a nation of 10 million, half of which are descendants of people forced out of the surrounding countries purely because of their religion.

It doesn’t matter how many people live there. Nazi Germany had more than 10 million. That didn’t justify their crimes.

Yep. And the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki lost between 150,000 and 250,000 people when we dropped nuclear weapons on them. Those people all paid for their nation's crimes, right?

Don't see how either justifies what you are pushing? That millions of people are guilty because of where/who they were born to, and that it doesn't matter what we chose to let happen to them/the nation they were born into, lived their entire lives.

But thank you for being honest about the end goal. So many people on this topic aren't willing to be honest and just want to pressure it into being without having to confront what they want to pressure into being is.

You keep deflecting from Israel’s genocide and land theft. The fact is most of the world is anti-Zionist and Israel can’t survive after the boomers are gone. You may not like it, but that’s the reality of the situation.

Again thank you for being honest on the endpoint of the pro Palestinian position.

How is me equating Israel with the actions of Imperial Japan in WW2 deflection? Come on. You switched to the WW2 equivalencing, not me.

I'm highlighting that you are OK with a huge group of people inheriting guilt because 'zionism'. Nagasaki and Hiroshima is what your position leads to/justifies.

People whose families were kicked out of their middle eastern home countries because they had the wrong religion/race, irredeemable in your eyes. Evil settler babies/children? Irredeemable/not even a consideration because... zionism.

You are OK with just displacing 10 million people (many whose family were forced out of other middle eastern countries because they had the wrong religion) with zero plan and zero care on your part, simply because there are zionists involved somewhere along the way.

You keep saying 'Zionism makes inheriting guilt ok' and 'zionism makes not caring and having zero plan for what happens to 10 million people OK'. We don't need to argue what 'zionism' is. No matter what it is, heck I'll give you every horrible think you imagine it to be, I think your position is horrible and evil.

Zionists are committing genocide but you think the anti-Zionists are horrible and evil. Ok.

People often do horrible things in the name of doing good, or when they have convinced themselves others are evil, or 'the other' deserves it, and that 'right' is on their side.

That you have zero self reflection or self censorship to the point you do not give a fuck what happens to 10 million people because they are 'evil' is wild and not normal. But I'm really glad you are stating what so many here believe but aren't quite yet ready to say out loud.

There’s nothing shameful about being anti-genocide and Zionist terror.

Disregarding/waiving away what happens to 10 million people because 'they or their grandparents are/were evil' IS far down the path to its own evil.

Some of the worst atrocities have been committed by people who knew they were in the right, or people that were passing judgement on others on a mass scale. That you have zero reflection on it and just jump to 'zionism' is scary af, not gonna lie. I've lost a shit ton of karma hoping you would get any kind of self awareness. But you are all in on 'fuck 10 million people'. But like I said, at least you are honest that you are fine with whatever happens to millions of people, as long as they are people you judge unworthy of caring. Most pro-palestinians don't have the nerve to clearly state their intentions and are just downvoting me.

My position is mainstream. Israel must be dissolved. Most people on this planet have no problem stating that. It’s not remotely controversial.